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Which Dowlings are you researching please?.

even more interesting now, it looks like the Pitts family are connected to Holborn.

William Henry Jones gave his place of birth as holborn in one of the census. I am starting to thing he may be related to the Houchins. Now if I can just work out how, I may find his parents.

okay, something interesting

I found Jonathan and Hannah Houchin in the 1861 census, with them is a 7 year old boarder Emma Pitts who was born in London.

Hannahs maiden name is Pitts, looks like they married in 1851.

So could William Henry Jones be related to this family maybe, especially as we have part of the Houchin family from London.

Brummiejan

We think alike, I was trying to look into the William Roberson, in case he is related, but I can't find him in any earlier census or tie him into a Jones family.

I have been looking at this family now::


Name: William Jones
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry Jones
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Jones
Gender: Male
Where born: Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Clerkenwell St James
Ecclesiastical parish: Pentonville St James
Town: London
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration District: Clerkenwell
Sub-registration District: Pentonville
ED, institution, or vessel: 3!
Household Schedule Number: 81
Piece: 195
Folio: 69
Page Number: 14

Henry Jones 56
Elizabeth Jones 41
Frederick Jones 13
Rosa Jones 11
Arthur Jones 6
William Jones 3

But it looks like that William was born without Henry as a middle name. Howeverit does look like the parents Henry and Elizabeth are deceased by 1871, which would coincide with our William in the 1871 census, so could he of just taken on the Henry as a middle name.

As our William only gives Holborn once as place of birth and London the rest of the time, it is hard to be sure it is definitely the Holborn area he was born.

It seems odd that he is on his own in Great Ellingham in 1871 at just aged 13, I could understand if maybe he was in a workhouse there or working, but it's states scholar so looks like he is being supported by someone. He is with the same houchen family in 1881, so are they related to him, or did they take him on as an Orphan maybe?

Have also ruled out these ones

William Henry jones Born 2nd April 1867 St. Margaret district Middlesex Father David Jones Mother Julia
William Jones Born 4th September 1859 St George the Martyr distict Middlesex Father Charles Jones mother Martha
William Henry Jones Born 28th December 1856 Clerkenwell Father William Jones mother Margaret

The age does vary a lot though doesn't it! This must be the same William as 1871 presumably?

EDIT he is actually 22 on image.

1881 England Census
Name: William H. Jones
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Great Ellingham
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street Address: Low Common Farm

Occupation: Farm Labourer

Registration District: Wayland
Sub-registration District: Attleborough

Johnathan Houchen 54
Hannah Houchen 53
William H. Jones 20

CelticShiv, have you tried seeing who William 'Roberson' is? His birthplace is also London, and he might offer a clue, who knows.
Jan

Perhaps I should post full details of the William Henry Jones I am looking for (trying to help another family member) to see if anyone can help.

According to his age at marriage and age at death, he should be born about 1856

His marriage to Hannah Harriet Eastoll in 1881 Wayland, Norfolk, shows his father as Henry Jones a labourer. The witnesses to the marriage are from Hannah's family, so no clue to his family there.

He has various ages though in the census from 1871 up to his death. All show him as born in London, only one shows him born in Holborn.

In 1871 he is shown as a boarder with this family, and is a scholar. .

Civil Parish: Great Ellingham
Town: Great Ellingham
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Registration District: Wayland
Sub-registration District: Attleborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household Schedule Number: 75
Piece: 1841
Folio: 93
Page Number: 13

Jonatshan Houchen Head 44
Hannah Houchen wife 43
William Roberson boarder 73
William Jones boarder 13

I have been looking at various Willam Henry Jones trying to pinpoint his parents, my relative has been stuck on this side of their tree for quite a long time.

So far I think I have ruled out William Henry Jones who is in the 1861 born Holborn with mother Sarah (a widow). The father is William and a sailor (I found her marriage), so this doesnt tie in with our William Henry Jones.

The second William Henry, was the one above in the start of this thread to Ellen Jenkins and Henry Frederick Jones and of course this one looks to be ruled out too.

I haven't been able to pinpoint the Willam Henry Jones I am looking for in 1861, nor can I find a definate birth/baptism for him. My relative has ordered various birth certs which have all ended up not being him. (I will confirm which ones were ordered)

Any help appreciated in finely cracking this one. I figure some fresh pair of eyes may help.

I will change the title to this thread so that it is clear who this thread is searching for. I didn't want to create a duplicate thread, so thought I would add the full details here.

Thanks in advance.

If the 1871 above is Ellen, she was born in Pembrokeshire - so this might be her - she is a widow (lots of other names on here!)

1861 England Census
Name: Ellen E Jones
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Cook
Gender: Female
Where born: S Wales, Pembrokeshire, Wales

Civil Parish: St Mary Aldermanbury
County/Island: Middlesex

Registration District: London City
Sub-registration District: London City North West

Hi thanks for that BrummieJan, it was baffling me trying to find them.

I think I can now rule out this William Henry Jones, seeing as his surname became Clark.

thank you everyone for your help. Back to the drawing board.

An Ancestry tree has her marrying a George Clark - this must be the marriage they have found:

Name: George Henry Clark
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Ellen Jones
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 26 Oct 1870
Parish: Bryanston Square St Mary
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: James Clark
Spouse Father Name: Thomas Jenkins
Register Type: Parish Register

1871 England Census
Name: William H Clark
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George H Clark
Mother's Name: Ellen Clark
Gender: Male
Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration District: Marylebone
Sub-registration District: St Mary

George H Clark 52
Ellen Clark 38
Ann M Clark 23
Frances M Clark 22
Alfred S Clark 20
Charles F Clark 15
William H Clark 11
Elizabeth Clark 18

cant see them at Whiskin street anymore :(

yes that would be it, thanks Chris

Will see if I can find the address in 1861, incase they are still there.

Would it be Whiskin Street (Clerkenwell)

Chris :)

Mike, can you work out the name of the street for their address on the baptism?

yes that his baptism.

Henry and Ellen's marriage is also on ancestry.

thanks :)

Name:
William Henry Jones

Record Type:Baptism

Baptism Date:23 Sep 1855
Father's Name:Henry Frederick Jones
Mother's Name:Ellen Jones

Parish or Poor Law Union:Clerkenwell St James
Borough:Islington
Register Type:Parish Registers

I am trying to locate the following family in 1861

Henry Frederick Jones born c1834 in Clerkenwell (occupation a mason/bricklayer) his parents are Robert and Abigail
Wife Ellen Jones (nee Jenkins) born c1833 father Thomas a carpenter
Son William Henry Jones born c1854

I can find Henry in 1851 with his parents, but after that nothing.

Thanks in advance