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That's a possibility, will check the electro records later.
It's so annoying, I know he had a brother, and maybe it was Morris after all.
On his grave stone when abraham died, it had missed by brother but did not put the name down.
Regards
Pauline :-)

I wondered that too, Dea. Perhaps he anglicised his first name for a while?

Well, as that is the only mention anywhere of 'Alfred', I just wonder if it was, in fact, 'Abraham' and either they got his name wrong or he called himself 'Alfred' at the time ??

Alfred is not on any census and there are no birth, deaths or marriages for him, or any travel records that I can see.

Dea x

Hi there
Yes that was the entry,
It was a home and hairdressers,
Abraham modlin, my gr grandfather worked there as a hairdresser and the family lived at the same house , I remember my grandmothers sister rose, telling me they had to be extremely quite while he was working.
Regards
Pauline

Hello Pauline - is this the entry that you're referring to?

UK, City and County Directories, 1766 - 1946
Name: Alfred Modlin
Street Address: 13 Three Oak la Horsleydown
Occupation: Hairdrssr
Publication Title: 1921 Hughes' Business Directory
County: London
Country: England
Publication Year: 1921

It's possible that's where the salon is and not where he actually lived.

EDIT: Just looked at that address on the 1911. An Ernst Schmidt and family lived there. He was a hairdresser and it's noted he worked at home. The enumerators list has it as a shop as opposed to a private house so perhaps there was an apartment above.

Unfortunately nothing, all I know he lived at 13 Oak lane, bermondsey, SE1 in 1921, worked as a hairdresser and lived there. I found a advert on the archives with this information.

Abraham lived at the same address and worked as an hairdresser there in 1934 round abouts.

That's how I got the connection from.

Regards
Pauline

Pauline has confirmed via pm that 'her' Abraham is the one I posted on the 1911, born in Poland. - Not the one with the father, Morris.

Pauline,

You say you are trying to link him with Alfred - can you tell us what you know about Alfred please?

Dea x

Thanks everyone for responding, this is the trouble and brick wall I have came across
As you can see there were 3 families with the same names, roundabout the same time. I personally feel they were all connected, but cannot find a link.
I am hoping someone from either families recognise the information I have wrote.
One of the families went to America, one family was mine, and the other still in this country.
Regards
Pauline :-)

This is the death of the 'Haidresser' one:


England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Abraham Modlin
Name: Abraham Modlin
Birth Date: abt 1883
Date of Registration: Mar 1947
Age at Death: 64
Registration District: Stoke Newington
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5d
Page: 885

Dea x

????


England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Abraham Modlyn
Name: Abraham Modlyn
Birth Date: abt 1890
Date of Registration: Sep 1939
Age at Death: 49
Registration District: Lambeth
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 1d
Page: 160

Argyllgran - In answer to your question - the one who travelled to New York in 1911 was the one with father named Morris. He was a Tailor's machinist.

Dea x

1891 ????
MADLIN, Morris Head Married M 28 1863 Boot Finisher
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MADLIN, Leah Wife Married F 25 1866
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MADLIN, Jane Daughter F 3 1888
Whitechapel, London VIEW
MADLIN, Abraham Son M 1 1890
Whitechapel, London VIEW
SHUTEF, Esther Sister In Law Single F 19 1872 Tailoress
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CAPEL, Annie Lodger Single F 23 1868 Tailoress
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Piece: 276

Folio: 8

Page: 15

Registration District: Whitechapel

Civil Parish: Spitalfields

Municipal Borough:

Address: 42, Pelham Street, Spitalfields

County: London

Which one is this?


New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Abraham Modlin
Name: Abraham Modlin
Arrival Date: 25 May 1911
Birth Date: abt 1890
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: london
Age: 21
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Hebrew
Port of Departure: Southampton
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: St Paul
Search Ship Database: Search the St Paul in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

This would be the one born 1890 mentioned above?

1911 census transcription details for: 82b B L L
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National Archive Reference:

RG14PN1505 RG78PN53 RD19 SD1 ED7 SN14
Reg. District: St George in the East
Sub District: St George and St John
Parish: St George in the East
Enum. District: 7
Address: 82b B L L
County: London
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
MODLIN, Morris Head Married 26 years M 45 1866 Greengrocery Shop Russia Jew Res
MODLIN, Mirriam Wife Married F 45 1866 Russia Jew Res
MODLIN, Abraham Son Single M 21 1890 Tailors Plainm Machinist Whitechapel London Jew
MODLIN, Emanuel Son Single M 19 1892 Cabinet Maker Whitechapel London Jew
MODLIN, Harris Son Single M 16 1895 Cabinet Maker Whitechapel London Jew
MODLIN, Isaac Son Single M 14 1897 Just Left School Whitechapel London Jew
MODLIN, Ada Daughter Single F 89 1822 Whitechapel London Jew



Dea x

In 1891, his father is Morris. (An Ancestry user has corrected spelling to Modlin.)

1911 above says Abraham born Poland. 1891 says born Whitechapel. Is this the same person?:


1891 England Census about Abraham Madlin
Name: Abraham Madlin
[Abraham Modlin]
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Morris Madlin
Mother's Name: Leah Madlin
Gender: Male
Where born: Whitechapel, London, England

Civil Parish: Spitalfields
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Whitechapel
Sub-registration District: Mile End New Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 276
Folio: 8
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
Morris Madlin 28
Leah Madlin 25
Jane Madlin 3
Abraham Madlin 1
Esther Shutes 19
Annie Capel 23

Probate record:

MODLIN Abraham of 111 Listria Park Stoke Newington London N.16 died
26th January, 1947. Administration London 18th February to Harry Modlin
Hairdressers Assistant.
Effects £668 5s. 8d.

Dea x

Marriages Mar 1908 (>99%)
CHYAT Max Whitechapel 1c 331
Freedman Fanny Whitechapel 1c 331
Modlin Abraham Whitechapel 1c 331
YUROVITCH Leah Whitechapel 1c 331

Births Sep 1890 (>99%)
Modlin Abraham Whitechapel 1c 297

Would this be him?? - Age is a bit out though ?

1911 census transcription details for: 19 Upper E Smithfield Whitechapel E
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National Archive Reference:

RG14PN1495 RG78PN52 RD18 SD2 ED19 SN318
Reg. District: Whitechapel
Sub District: Whitechapel
Parish: St Botolph Without Aldgate
Enum. District: 19
Address: 19 Upper E Smithfield Whitechapel E
County: London
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
MODLIN, Abraham Head Married M 27 1884 Hairdresser And Jobber Poland Resident
MODLIN, Leah Wife Married F 23 1888 Poland Resident
MODLIN, Harry Son M 1 1910 London Stepney

Dea x

Hi there
Looking for information about my gr grandfathers family modlin sometimes used as modlyn.
I know about his children ect, but trying to find out about his brother who I believe to be Alfred modlin. The name Morris was once mentioned but I am not sure.
they were both Hairdressers.
any tiny, small , information I would be happy with. I have been searching for a long time.
Abraham was born roundabout 1888 so Alfred must be same, lived in east London, se1 south London and north London.
Regards
pauline :-)