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William Norman DOB 1799 Tooting Surrey

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Terence

Terence Report 20 Jun 2013 06:13

Hi All
Am having trouble going back with my tree (aren't we all)\
In the 1851 census
at 22 Chapel St St Margarets Westminster. I have
William Norman Widower age 52, a Cordwainer Born Surrey Tooting
William Norman Son age 20, a cordwainer, Westminster
James Norman Son 18 a cordwainer Soho
Caroline Norman Westminster age 5 .

William remarried a Mary Grove Jessup on 30 Aug 1849 St Margarets Westminster
and Caroline was their daughter (have Birth Cert and Marriage cert,

On William and Mary Jessups marriage cert william is a widower.
his previous wife may have been Mary Anne Laws married 17Dec1832 St Anne Soho,

What I am trying to find out is where William with family were living in the 1841 Cencus. Was william a Widower then or was his wife Mary Ann alive.
(On the marriage certificate of William and Mary Jessup. Williams states his father to be William and a Servant)

Can anyone help please.
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Gee

Gee Report 20 Jun 2013 06:38

I was wondering about this death for his first wife



England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915

Name:Mary Ann Norman

Date of Registration:
Jul-Aug-Sep 1844
Registration District:
Westminster St Margaret
Inferred County:London

Volume:1
Page:362



1841 England Census
Name:James Norman

Age:4
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1837

Gender:Male
Where born:Middlesex, England

Civil Parish:St Margaret
Hundred:Westminster
County/Island:Middlesex

Country:England
Registration District:Westminster
Sub-registration District:
St Margaret
Piece:738
Book:5
Folio:24
Page Number:3

William Norman 27<<Occ Shoe M???????
Mary Norman 28
William Norman 7
James Norman 4

Ages are out but wonder if this is a mistake?

Researching:

Terence

Terence Report 20 Jun 2013 06:57

Looks a lightly candidate, thanks, will order it and see.

Gee

Gee Report 20 Jun 2013 07:07


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name:James Norman
Record Type:Baptism

Baptism Date:8 Apr 1833

Father's Name:William Norman <<Occ Shoemaker
Mother's Name:Mary Ann Norman

Parish or Poor Law Union:
Westminster St Anne Soho
Borough:Westminster

Register Type:Bishop's Transcript


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name:William Norman

Record Type:Baptism

Baptism Date:17 Dec 1832 <Born 1828

Father's Name:William Norman <<Occ Shoe Maker

Mother's Name:Mary Ann Norman

Parish or Poor Law Union:
Westminster St Anne Soho

Borough:Westminster
Register Type:Bishop's Transcript

Both have the same address: St Anns Court

Also:


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name:Harriet Norman
Record Type:Baptism

Baptism Date:17 Dec 1832 <<Born 1823

Father's Name:William Norman <<Shoemaker

Mother's Name:Mary Ann Norman

Parish or Poor Law Union:Westminster St Anne Soho
Borough:Westminster

Register Type:Bishop's Transcript

Same address as the boys

Researching:

Terence

Terence Report 20 Jun 2013 08:06

Thanks for your effort.
Do you have an address for them on the 1841 census. And is this the earliest census?

Flip

Flip Report 20 Jun 2013 08:24

The writing is dreadful. but on the previous image it looks like New Gothill Street, but I'm not sure.

1841 is the earliest census available online. You could try trade directories as he was a shoemaker.

EDIT it is New Tothill street, according to the summary page.

Researching:
Anything & everything!

Terence

Terence Report 21 Jun 2013 00:41

Thanks for your help
Terry.