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William A J Howell her first husband died 1928, but she married Ashcroft I think. William G Ashcroft, not William George.

Added: in both marriages she was Elizabeth A.

This one I assume:

England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Alice M Wells
Name: Alice M Wells
Birth Date: abt 1874
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1959
Age at Death: 85
Registration District: Camberwell
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5c
Page: 183

Alice Maud died in 1959 I believe in Camberwell.

Alice Maud died in 1959 I believe in Camberwell.

Elizabeth (Bessie) Blow was first married to William Howell and they had three children. William later died and she married William George and they had four children. My mother Eileen was born in 1936.

Wycombe reg district is adjoining to Aylesbury district -- that birth may well be the one

Mavis

When and where did she die?

Her birth may simply not have been registered..especially considering that she was illegitimate

This is the only Alice Maud Wilson born in Wandsworth in the 1870's:


Births Dec 1878 (>99%)
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WILSON Alice Maud Wandsworth 1d 719


And this is the only possibility in Buckinghamshire, but not Aylesbury:

Births Sep 1874 (>99%)
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WILSON Alice Wycombe 3a 462

Rosalind, not sure if it will help but.....who did your grandmother Bessie marry?

When was your mum born?

Jude

I know her birth date because my mother knew her

Sorry my mistake. I have her mother as Harriet Ann Wilson/Blow. Mary was her grandmother. Her birthday was definitely 5th February. 1874 is the year of birth on her death certificate.

The only marriage for an Alice M Wilson or Blow after 1911 and up to 1940 is this one, location way out and there are children to the marriage/

marriages Sep 1917 (>99%)
Wilson Alice M Wells Halifax 9a 775

Yes we do..

The opening post is a bit confusing :-S

OK! We really need feedback from Rosalind don't we. Very intrigued about how she knows Alice's birth date!
Jan

Here's Harriett

Name: Harriet Wilson
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Clapham
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration District: Wandsworth
Sub-registration District: Clapham
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household Schedule Number: 81
Piece: 697
Folio: 32
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Baxter 54
George Baxter 24
Arthur Baxter 22
Alice Baxter 19
Horace Baxter 18
Harriet Wilson 19


Sorry Jan...blooming Google Chrome - didn't refresh! :-)

Harriet is working away 1871, in Surrey, which might fit Alice's birthplace??

1871 England Census
Name: Harriet Wilson
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Clapham
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration District: Wandsworth
Sub-registration District: Clapham

Mary Baxter 54
George Baxter 24
Arthur Baxter 22
Alice Baxter 19
Horace Baxter 18
Harriet Wilson 19

This is Mary Ann and James in 1871

Name: Mary A Wilson
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Wilson
Gender: Female
Where born: Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Clapham
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration District: Wandsworth
Sub-registration District: Clapham
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Household Schedule Number: 63
Piece: 698
Folio: 79
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
James Wilson 51
Mary A Wilson 54
Henry Wilson 25
James Wilson 17

No Harriett

We need Rosalind to come back and explain where the birth date comes from, and how she tracked back to this family as there is obviously an error along the way to have the wrong generation for the mother.

Mary Ann Wilson is back with husband James by the 1891 census, so probably just a temporary visitor.

If you look at the 1911 original I think her age is 34 not 31 - which puts her birth at 1876/7 - a bit closer (maybe) to the truth...but her birthplace is Aylesbury...