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Gerry
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13 Jun 2013 01:06 |
Hi. I am looking for any info on Clifford Roland Burgess. He was born sometime after 1911 in NZ (assuming that as there is no record of his birth in England.
His parents were Thomas Burgess (1880 wigan), a coal miner, and Margaret Alice Ellison (1882 Wigan). They had at least two other children born in England, Jonathen Arnold (1906) and Edna May (1910). At some stage the family emigrated to NZ where Clifford married Ellen Joyce Everitt.
I can find details of Clifford in the NZ Army during WWII and various Electrol Rolls from 1946, but nothing about his birth or marriage.
*** Update I think I have found Clifford's parents in 1928 with Jonathan Arnold and some other children. They were living in Westport Buller ****
Any help would be much appreciated
Gerry :-D
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Astra
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13 Jun 2013 06:45 |
There is this in the passenger lists.
Travelling with Mrs. M. Burgess but no other family with them.
Name: Jonathan Burgess Gender: Male Age: 6 Birth Date: abt 1907 Departure Date: 11 Sep 1913 Port of Departure: London, England Destination Port: Wellington, New Zealand Ship Name: Corinthic Search Ship Database: Search the 'Corinthic' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping Line: Shaw Savill & Albion Co, Ltd Official Number: 115296 Master: F Hart
It looks as though little Edna died
Deaths Dec 1911 (>99%) Burgess Edna M 1 Wigan 8c 59
According to the Electoral Rolls.
There is a Margaret Alice Burgess living in Martins Road Riccarton with a Thomas Burgess. That is the address Clifford gives on his Army papers. Your Margaret Alice is living in Buller with her family. They are not the same family they just have the same name and I am more than certain that Clifford belonged to the other couple.
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Fredk
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13 Jun 2013 07:16 |
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Jun 1904 (>99%) Burgess Thomas Wigan 8c 156 Scan available - click to view Ellison Margaret Alice Wigan 8c 156 Scan available - click to view Green Robert Wigan 8c 156 Scan available - click to view Walker Annie Wigan 8c 156 Scan available - click to view
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Fredk
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13 Jun 2013 07:24 |
Births Mar 1910 (>99%) BURGESS Edna Oldham 8d 663 Scan available - click to view BURGESS Edna Louisa Gateshead 10a 1033 Scan available - click to view BURGESS Edna May Wigan 8c 61 Scan available - click to view
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Fredk
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13 Jun 2013 07:35 |
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Household Information Address 24 TIPPING ST WIGAN Parish WIGAN County Lancashire Country ENGLAND Ecclesiastical District Enumeration District 21 Registration District WIGAN Registration District Number 458 SubDistrict Number 3 Category Census, Land & Surveys Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales Collections from Great Britain Person 1 First Name ROGER Last Name ELLISON Birth Year 1859 Age 52 Where Born LANCASHIRE WIGAN Relationship To Head of Household HEAD Gender M Condition MARRIED Year Of Marriage Years Of Marriage Occupation COLLING CARPENTER COAL MINE Military Info Census Reference RG14PN22993 RG78PN1345 RD458 SD3 ED21 SN236 Archive Reference RG14 Folio Page Piece Number 22993 Person 2 First Name JANE Last Name ELLISON Birth Year 1859 Age 52 Where Born LANCASHIRE WIGAN Relationship To Head of Household WIFE Gender F Condition MARRIED Year Of Marriage 1881 Years Of Marriage 30 Occupation HOUSE DUTIES Military Info Census Reference RG14PN22993 RG78PN1345 RD458 SD3 ED21 SN236 Archive Reference RG14 Folio Page Piece Number 22993 Person 3 First Name EMILY Last Name ELLISON Birth Year 1894 Age 17 Where Born LANCASHIRE WIGAN Relationship To Head of Household DAUGHTER Gender F Condition SINGLE Year Of Marriage Years Of Marriage Occupation COTTON CLOTH WEAVER Military Info Census Reference RG14PN22993 RG78PN1345 RD458 SD3 ED21 SN236 Archive Reference RG14 Folio Page Piece Number 22993 Person 4 First Name EVELYN MAY Last Name ELLISON Birth Year 1901 Age 10 Where Born LANCASHIRE WIGAN Relationship To Head of Household DAUGHTER Gender F Condition SINGLE Year Of Marriage Years Of Marriage Occupation SCHOOL Military Info Census Reference RG14PN22993 RG78PN1345 RD458 SD3 ED21 SN236 Archive Reference RG14 Folio Page Piece Number 22993 Person 5 First Name THOMAS Last Name BURGESS Birth Year 1880 Age 31 Where Born LANCASHIRE WIGAN Relationship To Head of Household BOARDER Gender M Condition MARRIED Year Of Marriage Years Of Marriage Occupation TRAMMER UNDERGROUND COAL MINER Military Info Census Reference RG14PN22993 RG78PN1345 RD458 SD3 ED21 SN236 Archive Reference RG14 Folio Page Piece Number 22993 Person 6 First Name MARGARET ALICE Last Name BURGESS Birth Year 1882 Age 29 Where Born LANCASHIRE WIGAN Relationship To Head of Household BOARDER Gender F Condition MARRIED Year Of Marriage 1905 Years Of Marriage 6 Occupation COTTON CLOTH WEAVER Military Info Census Reference RG14PN22993 RG78PN1345 RD458 SD3 ED21 SN236 Archive Reference RG14 Folio Page Piece Number 22993 Person 7 First Name JONATHAN ARNOLD Last Name BURGESS Birth Year 1907 Age 4 Where Born LANCASHIRE WIGAN Relationship To Head of Household SON Gender M Condition Year Of Marriage Years Of Marriage Occupation Military Info Census Reference RG14PN22993 RG78PN1345 RD458 SD3 ED21 SN236 Archive Reference RG14 Folio Page Piece Number 22993 Person 8 First Name EDNA MAY Last Name BURGESS Birth Year 1910 Age 1 Where Born LANCASHIRE WIGAN Relationship To Head of Household DAUGHTER Gender F Condition Year Of Marriage Years Of Marriage Occupation Military Info Census Reference RG14PN22993 RG78PN1345 RD458 SD3 ED21 SN236 Archive Reference RG14 Folio Page Piece Number 22993
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GlasgowLass
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13 Jun 2013 09:49 |
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search.aspx?Path=%2fqueryEntry.m%3ftype%3ddeaths#SearchResults
Above is the link to the NZ death of a Cifford Roland Burgess. This man died in NZ 1990 and his dob is entered on the search: His DOB reads: 13 Jun 1921.
EDIT: No death found for Ellen Joyce Burgess up to Jun 2013 These are all the deaths for women named Ellen Burgess between 1940 and Jun 2013 ps://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search.aspx?Path=%2fqueryEntry.m%3ftype%3ddeaths#SearchResults
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Persephone
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13 Jun 2013 10:18 |
They married in 1946. Clifford Burgess died 3 Sept1990.
Jonathan Arnold Burgess born 15 Nov 1907 married Mary Palmer South 1933.
He died 15 July 1990 Nelson
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Persephone
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13 Jun 2013 10:25 |
Additional information: Mary Palmer South born New Zealand 17 July 1909
died 21 May 2003
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Gerry
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13 Jun 2013 22:01 |
Thank you all very much. Great info you have found for me which fills a big whole in my knowledge.
One person, I dont know who, complained that I hadn't thanked them. That would be because now is the first time I have been able to sit down and access my computer. It may not be obvious, but this is the only time of day I am able to do my research. So sorry to whoever you were, but a little bit of patience would have not required this explanation.
Anyway, thank you all
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MarieCeleste
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13 Jun 2013 23:18 |
I'm inclined to agree with Astra that there are two separate families that coincidentally have the same parent's names of Thomas and Margaret Alice.
New Zealand, Electoral Rolls, 1853-1981
Name: Margaret Alice Burgess Electoral Year: 1935 District: Riccarton Region or Province: Canterbury
Living 32 Martin's Road with Thomas (a labourer)
Also in the same year:
New Zealand, Electoral Rolls, 1853-1981
Name: Margaret Alice Burgess Electoral Year: 1935 District: Buller Region or Province: West Coast
Living Millerton with Thomas - a miner. Also on the same page are a Sydney Amos Burgess (miner) with a Mary Margaret at Dunollie.
EDIT: Something to ponder - I can't find the Margaret Alice & Thomas in Buller after 1935 and I can't find the Margaret Alice & Thomas in Riccarton before 1935.
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Cherilyn
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14 Jun 2013 02:19 |
From Archway (NZ Online Archives)
Christchurch Probate Files BURGESS Margaret Alice - Christchurch/Geraldine - Widow - 1971 [aged 89]
Probate file - Nelson High Court Burgess, Jonathan Arnold - 1990 [born 15 November 1907]
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Cherilyn
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14 Jun 2013 02:27 |
Sidney Amos BURGESS died in NZ in 1962 aged 69.
Greymouth Probate Files BURGESS Sidney Amos - Rewanui/Dunollie - Miner/Clerk - 1962
There is a record for him (with this spelling) at National Archives in Kew. States he was born in Chatham, Kent on 15 Nov 1892. So seems this not the right family for Clifford, but more likely the Riccarton one, as posted above.
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Persephone
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14 Jun 2013 02:34 |
Following on form the Riccarton Burgesses ; in 1969 Margaret Alice, Clifford Roland and Ellen Joyce all living at the same address in Lyttelton ... Margaret Alice is a widow..
At the same address is Michael John Burgess a student.. he would be at least 21 to be able to vote..
Margaret Alice died 1 March 1971 .. you can access her probate records through our archives, the fee is probably $20.
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=21796878
I think Michael is in Riccarton in 1972 but after that I would be guessing there are quite a few people named Michael John Burgess.
I had a look through the phone listings and there are several M J Burgess, a couple of them are in the Christchurch area and I guess he would be about 65 - 66 now.
Cheers Persie
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