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Julie-Ann
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10 Jun 2013 03:34 |
I am helping a friend with her family tree. Her ancestor George Archard is missing from the 1861 census. I found a newspaper article that stated that a George Archard, aged 25, was sentenced to 6 months hard labour in March, 1861. The newspaper article was under the heading "Wilt Assizes". As the census was held in April, 1861 that explains his absence from the family. But I cant find him anywhere else either. I thought I might be able to search by address if I knew the names of prisons back then. His wife is Jane, born 1831. Her daughter Eliza Norman (from 1st marriage) and son Henry George Archard are with her on the 1861 census in Calne, Wiltshire. I have searched excessively for George, using only his first name and also looking at Archers, Orchards and Richards and everything in between. Any ideas most welcome. Julie-Ann
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Fredk
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10 Jun 2013 06:30 |
Just for reference if that is them
1871 Census Household Record Household Information Address Leeman Grove Parish East Rosedale District Pickering, Lastingham Administrative County Yorkshire Householder 1 Name George Archard Age 35 Estimated Year of Birth 1836 Relationship to Head of Household Head Occupation Birth Place Wiltshire Birth County Wiltshire Householder 2 Name Jane Archard Age 39 Estimated Year of Birth 1832 Relationship to Head of Household Wife Occupation Birth Place Wiltshire Birth County Wiltshire Householder 3 Name George Archard Age 10 Estimated Year of Birth 1861 Relationship to Head of Household Son Occupation Juvenile Birth Place Wiltshire Birth County Wiltshire Householder 4 Name Ellen Archard Age 7 Estimated Year of Birth 1864 Relationship to Head of Household Daughter Occupation Juvenile Birth Place Essex Birth County Essex Householder 5 Name Elizabeth A Sanders Age 15 Estimated Year of Birth 1856 Relationship to Head of Household Servant Occupation Juvenile Birth Place Devon Birth County Devon
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Choccy
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10 Jun 2013 06:50 |
could this be him - prisoners were often referred to by their initials only -
1861
Name: G A Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836 Relation: Prisoner Gender: Male Where born: Calne, Wiltshire, England Civil Parish: Devizes St John Town: Devizes County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England Address: The Prison, Northgate Street, St Johns, Devizes
Occupation: Labourer
Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration District: Devizes Sub-registration District: Devizes ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 170 Piece: 1293 Folio: 17 Page Number: 35 Household Members: Name Age Alfred Alexander 53 Fanny Alexander 53 E Alexander 26 M E Alexander 24 H J Alexander 19 G E Alexander 18 S R Alexander 15 E C Alexander 12 L Alexander 10 W J Alexander 8 William Tyler 61 Henry Rolfe 51 George Brown 39 John Gerrish 50 John Drake 51 S H 15 J M 24 J W 50 G D 21 J W 34 J T 33 J S 31 J C 45 J P 26 M S 53 A S 40 W N 45 W G 27 S F 55 L S 35 M G 20 W F 45 A F 23 J C 28 H P 24 R W 16 H T 40 S L 38 D A 29 E L 43 W B 46 J J 16 R S 22 J M 21 T L 22 A J 45 S B 47 W H 29 W J 29 W W 69 J W 48 J P 27 W K 17 W J 27 P B 47 H H 18 C L 35 D P 35 S J 17 J G 34 R H 25 J N 57 G B 23 F B 26 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>G A 25 W F 47 H J 36 W J 28 T F 21 A G 38 H M 60 E H S 8 G P 7 W B 35 D J 41 E H 30 G A 41 R W 15 J D 18 H G 17 W S 30 E M 28 J G 21 A S 21 J M 21 J D 46 J W 61 J J 38 J C 48 J H 40 W S 32 E H 20 W W 34 Source Citation: Class: RG 9; Piece: 1293; Folio: 17; Page: 35; GSU roll: 542791.
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Julie-Ann
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10 Jun 2013 08:00 |
Thanks Fredk, that is them on the 1871 census. And Thank you Choccy. I am sure that is George! I didnt expect the problem to be solved so soon :). I have another problem with this family, but I will start a new thread. Many Thanks Julie-Ann
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Fredk
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10 Jun 2013 08:03 |
You would be better off adding it to this thread
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MarieCeleste
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10 Jun 2013 08:30 |
Hello Julie-Ann, you need to keep all requests about the same family in one place so that research doesn't get duplicated and so we can also cross reference.
Do you have this?
England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
Name: George Archard Date of Trial: 25 Mar 1861 Trial Year: 1861 Location of Trial: Wiltshire, England
6 months imprisonment for "larceny by servant" Sentence: Imprisonment
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Julie-Ann
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10 Jun 2013 08:46 |
I have been unable to find a birth for George Henry ARCHARD, born 1860. In the 1861 census he is named as Henry George ARCHARD, living in Calne, Wiltshire, aged 9 months and born in Bath Somerset. On the 1871 Census he is living in Yorkshire, under George Archard. He is aged 10 and birth place is given as Calne, Wiltshire (the same birthplace as his father). He is not on any further censuses as he came to Australia in 1878. His name in Australia was George Henry Archard. His parents Jane Norman and George Archard married in Calne Wiltshire in 1859. This was Jane's second marriage. Her maiden name was Tibble/Tibald/Theobald. I have searched parish records online where available but havent been able to find a birth for young George. Hoping you can help, Julie-Ann
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Julie-Ann
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10 Jun 2013 09:35 |
Thanks MarieCeleste for that info, no I didnt have it. I only had the newspaper article reporting his offence and sentence. Nice to have the official version. Julie-Ann
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ErikaH
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10 Jun 2013 09:45 |
As, until 1875, there were no penalties for not registering births, his probably wasn't recorded
But, as the full names of his parents are known, you aren't missing out on anything other than exact DOB, and precise birth location
For confirmed maiden name info for Jane, purchase the cert of her marriage to Archard. It will name her father (if she knew him)
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ErikaH
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10 Jun 2013 09:48 |
The birthplace info for the son in 1861 could easily be laziness on the part of the enumerator......he 'dittoed' the girl's birthplace
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ErikaH
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10 Jun 2013 09:49 |
Births Dec 1855 (>99%) Norman Eliza Jane Bath 5c 613
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ErikaH
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10 Jun 2013 10:00 |
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Marriages Jun 1849 (>99%) ADAMS William Swindon &c 8 593 Butcher William Swindon 8 593 Cope Sarah Highworth 8 593 Hollister William Swindon 8 593 Litten Jane Swindon &c 8 593 Norman Peter Highworth 8 593 Reynolds Elizabeth Swindon 8 593 Tibalds Jane Swindon &c 8 593
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1851 census
Person: NORMAN, Jane Address: New Road, Calne
NORMAN, Jane Head Married F 21 1830 At Home Coleshill, Berkshire VIEW NORMAN, Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried F 8 1843 Scholar Calne, Wiltshire VIEW NORMAN, Sarah Daughter Unmarried F 5 1846 Scholar Calne, Wiltshire
Obviously, Jane was not the mother of the girls on here...the assumption must be that they were her husband's daughters from a previous marriage
1861 census
Person: ARCHARD, Jane Address: Hog Street, Calne
ARCHARD, Jane Wife Married F 30 1831 Bacon Curers & Labourers Wife Coleshill, Wiltshire VIEW NORMAN, Eliza Jane Alma Daughter F 6 1855 Scholar Bath, Somersetshire VIEW ARCHARD, Henry George Son M 0 (9M) 1861 Bath, Somersetshire VIEW Piece: 1286 Folio: 67 Page: 9 Registration District: Calne Civil Parish: Calne
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ErikaH
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10 Jun 2013 10:00 |
Deaths Mar 1858 (>99%) Norman Peter Calne 5a 59
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Julie-Ann
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10 Jun 2013 12:59 |
Thanks Reggie - you are quite right. We know George was born in 1860, just no official recognition of this fact. I was hoping someone might have access to records that I dont have and find him for me. We have the Parish record for Jane's marriage to Peter Norman. Her maiden name was Tibalds. Her Parish christening record however records her surname as Theobalds. And on the 1841 census it is Theobolds. Her son in Australia on his marriage certificate says her name was Tibble. I dont think the parents registered George's birth but hopefully they Christened him and eventually a record for this will turn up. Thanks again, Julie-Ann
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ErikaH
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10 Jun 2013 13:04 |
You didn't check the IGI!
I didn't look there earlier, as I assumed you would have done so.................
Name: Henry George Archard Gender: Male Christening Date: 02 Sep 1860 Christening Place: Calne, Wiltshire, England Birth Date: Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: George Archard Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Jane Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03918-1 System Origin: England-EASy GS Film number: 1279383 Reference ID: p63
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Julie-Ann
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10 Jun 2013 21:49 |
Yippee!! I think I did check the IGI but only under George not Henry. Silly me! Thank you very much Reggie. Julie-Ann.
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10 Jun 2013 22:09 |
From someone's tree
George Henry Archard Birth: 24 Jun 1860 - Somerset, England Death: 28 Feb 1924 - Mayfield Marriage: 06 Feb 1882 (6 Feb 1882) Parents: George Archard, Jane Archard Spouse: Ellen Hughes
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ErikaH
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10 Jun 2013 22:33 |
Glad to have been of some help...................
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Julie-Ann
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10 Jun 2013 23:29 |
Thanks Mike, That June birth fits in with him being 9 months old at the census the following April. And thank you everyone else for helping solve these Archard problems. Julie-Ann
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