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Hi Kerry,
Luckily on one of his medal cards it had his proper surname then alias Smith....just very lucky.

Regards Vera

Thank you anyway!

So, the will is not a lot of help then :-(

Sorry, but I can't find anything under his birth name - a couple of deaths, which can be eliminated due to other Walter's in the area. Not seeing anything on passenger lists either.

Flip, he signed it in March 1928, only a couple of weeks before he died.

Hi Vera, thanks for telling me about your gf - I agree it's ossible. How on earth did you ever find him as Smith?

I assume you have a copy of the will, what date did Henry sign it? Was about to suggest Aus because Sarah was there, but you've already tried that.

Hi Kerry, Did you notice my reply regarding my grandfather. I know it doesn't help finding him, but that could have happened.

Regards Vera

I've also looked for Walter in Wales (some of Henry's brothers went there & there are Walter Waggetts there but not the right one. Have also looked in Australian records for him, as Sarah and her family came out in 1912, but not here either.

I've also looked for Walter in Wales (some of Henry's brothers went there & there are Walter Waggetts there but not the right one. Have also looked in Australian records for him, as Sarah and her family came out in 1912, but not here either.

Yes they're all there in 1891 and earlier, then Alice & Sarah both married in 1900 and after 1902 no more Walter!

For info, 1891:

Alice Waggett
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Henry Waggett
Mother's Name: Anne Waggett
Gender: Female
Where born: St Helens, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Windle
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Prescot
Sub-registration District: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3018
Folio: 63
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Waggett 34
Anne Waggett 22
Alice Waggett 11
Sarah A Waggett 9
Walter Waggett 8

yes, same person - same mother as on birth certificate and same address as in Henry's will, where Jessie is described as the daughter of Eliza Saville of the Newton Heath address.

My grandfather had the same trouble when he enlisted around the time Walter did, he was discharged after a few months. He re-enlisted at the start of the WW1 under the name .....Smith !!!!
So possible he might have re-enlisted ( under another name) earlier, and that is why we can't find him on the 1911. Just a thought.

Regards Vera

Jessie Saville
Age in 1911: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1904
Relation to Head: Niece
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Failsworth, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: North Manchester
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address: 17 Ballantine St Newton Heath
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: School
Registration District: Prestwich
Registration District Number: 467
Sub-registration District: Newton Heath
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Piece: 24280
Household Members:
Name Age
Alice Ann Lewis 48
Harry Shorneyesoft 20 (son)
Richard Shorneyesoft 17 (son)
Eliza Saville 39 (sister)
Jessie Saville 7 (neice)

Connected?

Yes, no father shown (but born at Henry's address).

{ps trying to work out how to delete the duplicate?)

the information from freebmd for Jessie's birth.

You need this to buy her birth certificate

Births Mar 1904 (>99%)

SAVILLE Jessie Prestwich 8d 434

No father listed for Jessie



Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930
Name:Jessie Saville

Birth Year: abt 1904

Age:24
Marriage Date:2 Jun 1928

Parish:
Newton Heath, All Saints
Parish as it Appears:All Saints, Newton Heath

Spouse's Name:Ernest Hibbert

Spouse's Father's Name:John Hibbert

Item Number:
4 Archive Roll:806

The child's birth was registered in Failsworth ............ but unfortunately Lancashire bmds do not show the mother's maiden name. They often do, well before mmn shows on freebmd


Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1904

SAVILLE Jessie Failsworth Manchester FAI/47/43

Have you applied for the birth certificate of the illegitimate child?

Hi all, Walter Waggett born 1882 in Prestwich Lancs was the son of Henry Tuck Waggett & Sarah Ann Waggett nee Shinn. Last census I can find Walter in is in 1901, as Walter Waggatt, living with Henry. I have army discharge papers showing Walter discharged after 3 mths in army in 1902, not suitable as soldier (failed basic training may be?) then he disappears. Henry is living alone by 1911 census. There is an illegitimate child born in 1904 at Henry's address & when Henry dies in 1928 he leaves 1/3 estate to this child, 1/3 each to his 2 daughters, no mention of Walter.It's possible/likely that this child, Jessie Saville, was either the child of Walter or of Henry himself. Walter may have been dead by 1928 or else cut off from family. There are a couple of Walter Waggett deaths in early 1900s, in Durham and in Hendon, but both of them appear in earlier census records at tha address so probably not my Walter. Any suggestions gratefully received. Kerry