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10 Jun 2013 20:26 |
Sorry everyone. There is no 'marked as answered' above box above my original message for me to tick so therefore I cannot close it down!
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KazB
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10 Jun 2013 07:43 |
Thank you all, I don't need any more help on this at the moment.
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Catherine
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9 Jun 2013 16:55 |
Just in case:-
As Chris seems to have found Lewis' two marriages and father is noted as Morgan, then wondering if this Lewis in 1841?
1841 Wales Census about Lewis Davies Name: Lewis Davies Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Gender: Male Where born: Glamorgan, Wales Civil Parish: Aberdare Hundred: Miskin County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Street Address: View Image Occupation: Miner Registration District: Merthyr Tydfil Sub-registration District: Aberdare Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1420 Book: 5 Folio: 21 Page Number: 2 Household Members: Name Name Morgan Davies 55 Jane Davies 50 Daniel Davies 20 Lewis Davies 15 Morgan Davies 15 Jane Davies 10 David Davies 11 Sarah Davies 8 John Davies 5 .................................................
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KazB
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8 Jun 2013 20:33 |
safc - thank you.
Thank you I already had the 1871 and 1881 information for them at 7 Windsor Street. I believe these to be the correct family.
Chris Ho;) Thank you also, I will check out those marriage and birth records - somehow I don't believe I'll find a quick simple answer.
Cheers Karen
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safc
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8 Jun 2013 16:11 |
Rowland Davies in household of Jane Davies, "England and Wales Census, 1881" Name: Rowland Davies Age (Original): 15 Gender: Male Birth Year: 1866 Birthplace: Wales Relationship to Head of Household: Step Son Marital Status: Single Occupation: Farmers Step Son Address: Llwynihirian Event Place: Nevern (Pembroke), Cardiganshire, Wales Disability: Record Type: Household GS Film number: 1342307 Affiliate Publication Number: RG11 Piece/Folio: 5426 / 18 Page Number: 8 Household Gender Age Birthplace Head Jane Davies F 40 Wales Daughter Elizabeth Davies F 4 Wales Son William Davies M 2 Wales Step Daughter Anne Davies F 18 Wales Step Daughter Margaret Davies F 16 Wales Step Son Rowland Davies M 15 Wales Step Daughter Mary Davies F 13 Wales
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safc
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8 Jun 2013 16:06 |
Lewis M Davies, "England and Wales Census, 1881" Name: Lewis M Davies Age (Original): 59 Gender: Male Birth Year: 1822 Birthplace: Wales Relationship to Head of Household: Head Marital Status: Married Occupation: Underground Foreman Address: 7 Windsor St Event Place: Aberdare, Glamorganshire, Wales Disability: Record Type: Household GS Film number: 1342281 Affiliate Publication Number: RG11 Piece/Folio: 5320 / 36 Page Number: 27 Household Gender Age Birthplace Head Lewis M Davies M 59 Wales Wife Elizabeth Davies F 54 Wales Daughter Mary Davies F 20 Wales Daughter Lizzie Davies F 19 Wales Son Rowland Davies M 15 Wales Son David Davies M 12 Wales
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8 Jun 2013 15:59 |
Name: Rowland Davies Event Type: Census Event Date: 1871 Gender: Male Age: 5 Relationship to Head of Household: Son Birthplace: Gregson, Glamorganshire Schedule Type: Household Registration District: Merthyr Tydfil Sub-District: Aberdare Parish: Aberdare County: Glamorganshire Household Gender Age Birthplace Self Lewis M Davies M 49 Llandraw, Glamorganshire Wife Elizabeth Davies F 44 Carmarthenshire Daughter Jane Davies F 15 Carmarthenshire Daughter Mary Davies F 10 Llandraw, Glamorganshire Daughter Lizy Davies F 9 Llandraw, Glamorganshire Son Rowland Davies M 5 Gregson, Glamorganshire xxxx Son David Davies M 2 Gregson, Glamorganshire
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Chris Ho :)
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8 Jun 2013 14:49 |
Marriages (Find My Past)
Groom's Forenames:Lewis (Miner) (Bachelor) Groom's Surname:Davies Groom's Age:Full Marriage Year:1846 Marriage Month:Oct Marriage Day:31 Event Type:Marriage Page:191 Place / Parish:Aberdare County:Glamorganshire Bride's Forenames:Catherine (Spinster) Bride's surname:Jones Bride's Age:20 Groom's Father's Forenames:Morgan (Miner) Groom's Father's Surname:Dafield Bride's Father's Forenames:Edward (Miner) Bride's Father's Surname:Jones Record source:Glamorgan marriages transcripts Data provider:Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau Archifau Cymru
Grooms Last Name:Davies Grooms First Name:Lewis (Miner) (Widower) Grooms Fathers First Name:Morgan (Miner) Grooms Fathers Last Name:Davies Grooms Parish: Grooms Age:Full Brides Last Name:Thomas Brides First Name:Elizabeth (Spinster) Brides Fathers First Name:Rowland (Engineer) Brides Fathers Last Name:Thomas Brides Parish: Brides Age:Full County:Carmarthenshire Place / Parish:Dafen Marriage Year:1856 Marriage Month:Apr Marriage Day:20
Chris :)
Baptism County Carmarthenshire Place Llanelly Church Parish Church RegisterNumber DateOfBirth BaptismDate 10 Feb 1853 Forename Jane Sex F FatherForename Lewis MotherForename Catherine FatherSurname DAVIES
(above if her, from below link)
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl
(same as above, Find My Past)
Forenames:Jane Surname:Davies Baptism Year:1853 Baptism Month:Feb Baptism Day:10 Place:Llanelli, St Paul County:Carmarthenshire Birth Year:- Birth Month:- Birth Day:- Fathers Forenames:Lewis (Blacksmith) Mothers Forenames:Catherine Record source:Carmarthen baptisms - Transcripts Data provider:Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau Archifau Cymru (address, Ann Street)
(just adding, not much knowledge Wales!)
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KazB
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8 Jun 2013 14:18 |
Cattherine & Gin Thank you so much for the help, and such quick responses too.
The entry for Lewis 'David' in 1851 does seem plausible as the names and birthdates do in the main correlate with later census entries. The Lwydcoed area again matches later census records.
Census rec's show that Lewis and Elizabeth had additional children after they married. One was Rowland Davies b. abt. 1866 Aberdare. As it's one of the more unusual names and not many appearing in BMD's around that date I'm going to try to trace a birth certificate for Rowland with parents Lewis and Elizabeth - this will hopefully reveal a previous surname for Elizabeth. Let's hope it's Thomas! Regards Karen
Karen
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Catherine
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8 Jun 2013 10:43 |
There is an Elizabeth Thomas born 1827 Llannelli but living in Aberdare in 1851 census:-
1851 Wales Census about Elizabeth Thomas Name: Elizabeth Thomas Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, Wales Civil Parish or Township: Aberdare Ecclesiastical parish: Llandaff and Llwydcoed County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Registration District: Merthyr Tydfil Sub-registration District: Aberdare ED, institution, or vessel: 2e Piece: 2460 Folio: 163 Page Number: 17 Household Schedule Number: 48 Household Members: Name Age Richard Lewis 59 Joan Lewis 58 Richard Lewis 19 Lewis Lewis 17 Elizabeth Thomas 24 Mary Bowen 15
..................so could possibly be the Elizabeth Thomas from the marriage record, but you are probably going to need to buy some certificates to be 100% sure all this is correct.
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It looks to me as though Lewis married Catherine, and they had two children Margaret and Morgan. Catherine died between 1851 and 1856 and Lewis married Margaret in 1856. You will need to buy a couple of birth certificates to find maiden names, which will help find or confirm marriages.
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Catherine
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8 Jun 2013 10:35 |
Possible marriage for 1851 couple:-
Marriages Dec 1846 (>99%) xxxxx Davies Lewis Merthyr Tydfil 26 622 Edwards David Merthyr Tydfil 26 622 Edwards John Merthyr Tydfil 26 622 Gunstone Grecian Merthyr Tydfil 26 622 xxxxx Jones Catherine Merthyr Tydfil 26 622 Jones William Merthyr Tydfil 26 622 Phillips Margaret Merthyr Tydfil 26 622 Richards Mary Merthyr Tydfil 26 622
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Lots of possible deaths for Catherine Davies between 1852 and 1856!
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Catherine
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8 Jun 2013 10:27 |
Just wondering if this is Lewis in 1851 with children Margaret and Morgan?:-
1851 Wales Census about Lewis David Name: Lewis David Age: 29 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Catherine David Gender: Male Where born: Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales Civil Parish or Township: Aberdare Ecclesiastical parish: Llandaff and Llwydcoed County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Registration District: Merthyr Tydfil Sub-registration District: Aberdare ED, institution, or vessel: 2e Piece: 2460 Folio: 166 Page Number: 22 Household Schedule Number: 64 Household Members: Name Age Lewis David 29 Catherine David 26 Margaret David 3 Morgan David 1 Jane Lewis 25
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Catherine
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8 Jun 2013 10:24 |
for ref:-
Name: Lewis Davies Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Davies Gender: Male Where born: Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales Civil Parish or Township: Aberdare County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Street Address: View Image Condition as to marriage: View Image Education: View Image Employment status: View Image Occupation: View Image Registration District: Merthyr Tydfil Sub-registration District: Aberdare ED, institution, or vessel: 30 Household Schedule Number: 52 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4069 Folio: 68 Page Number: 14 Household Members: Name Age Lewis Davies 40 Elizabeth Davies 34 Margaret Davies 14 Morgan Davies 11 Jane Davies 5 Mary Davies 1 John Davies 24 Benjamen John 22 Morgan William 18
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8 Jun 2013 10:09 |
A childs birth certificate will give you her maiden name
Have you checked this out?
Marriages Jun 1856 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BOWEN William Llanelly 11a 791 DAVIES Lewis Llanelly 11a 791 <<<<<<<<< THOMAS Elizabeth Llanelly 11a 791 <<<<<<<<< THOMAS Margaret Llanelly 11a 791
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KazB
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8 Jun 2013 10:00 |
This may seem straightforward to expert Genealogists but having difficulty getting my head around it, so am looking for some confirmation that I'm on the right track.
My Paternal Gt, Gt Grandmother was Jane Samuel (nee Davies) who married William David Samuel in 1880. They are in Census Records 1881-1911 (Aberdare,Wales) with Jane listed as b. abt. 1856 Llanelli, Carmarthen. Her Marriage Certificate in 1880 states Father as Lewis Davies, Coal Miner
Problem: - Census Records 1871 & 1861 (Aberdare, Wales) show a Jane Davies (b. abt. 1856 Llanelli, Carmarthen living with Lewis Davies, his wife Elizabeth and other children. - Jane and her Mother Elizabeth are shown as being born Llanelli, Carmarthen. However the father Lewis Davies was born in Aberdare!
Q. So do I assume that Lewis is not the biological father and that Elizabeth is the biological mother but was widowed and got remarried to Lewis?
Q. The other children in the census records were born in Aberdare and some are older than Jane so do I assume that Lewis was also widowed when he married Elizabeth?
Q. If the answers to the above are yes how do I find out Elizabeth previous married name and her maiden name? Jane was born in Carmarthen in 1856 but was in Aberdare with her mother and step-father by 1861. I presume they married in Aberdare as Lewis' older children were born there. Am I correct in thinking that I'll have look for copies of marriages certificate for Lewis Davies and an Elizabeth (something) in Aberdare between 1856-1861 and pray that I find a certificate with both parties widowed?
Any advice or confirmation that I'm on the right track would be appreciated.
Karen
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