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1861 England Census about Maria Dormer
Name: Maria Dormer
Age: 74
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1787
Relation: Widdower
Gender: Female
Where born: Baulkin, Berkshire, England
Civil Parish: Lyford
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Street Address: Alms House

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: Widow

Registration District: Abingdon
Sub-registration District: Fyfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 77
Piece: 730
Folio: 49
Page Number: 15

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1851 England Census about Mary Dormer
Name: Mary Dormer
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1786
Relation: Mother
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: East Hanney, Berkshire, England
Civil Parish: East Hanney
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Condition as to marriage: Widow

Registration District: Wantage
Sub-registration District: Wantage
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 88
Piece: 1689
Folio: 30
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
William Dormer 48 - Farmer of 370 acres employing 12 labourers
Mary Dormer 65
Mary Dormer 32 - Sister

Did Israel have any siblings?

Nom: Charles Dorman
Sexe: Male
Date du baptême: 09 Jun 1811
Lieu du baptême: WEST HANNEY,BERKSHIRE,ENGLAND
Date de naissance: 03 Jun 1811

Nom du père: John Dorman

Nom de la mère: Maria

Indexing Project (Batch) Nombre: P02024-1
Origine du système: England-ODM
Numéro de film: 88485

This is copied from http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/DORMER/2010-05/1272922298


John DORMER and Maria ALDER married 19 Nov 1810.
The banns were read on 21 and 28 Oct, 4 Nov in Hanney church. The record
shows Maria from Baulking. The same information has been copied into
the Lyford register. In both registers, the groom is shown as Joseph
DORMER.
The marriage of John DORMER and Maria ALDER is recorded in the Uffington
Register
His burial is recorded on 18 Jul 1830 - Lyford
There is a baptism of a Maria ALDER in Uffington on 20 Jul 1788, d of Thomas
and Mary (Watts), which is quite likely her.
Her burial is recorded on 16 Dec 1874 - Lyford. The burial record shows her
surname as DORMOR, still living at the Almshouses
The parish register for her baptism lists her as 2 weeks old
The 1841 census shows her living independently in Lyford.
She is shown as living in the Almshouses on the 1851 Census

DaughterMary ALDERbaptism 29 May 1808Lyford
Note date prior to marriage and recorded as illegitimate daughter of
Maria
The register gives her birth date as 19 May 1808
SonCharles DORMANbaptism 9 Jun 1811Lyford
Register gives birth date of 3 Jun 1811
Death Certificate gives date of death as 6 Aug 1849 in Brentford, cause
Cholera
DaughterHester DORMAN alias DORMORbaptism 30 May 1813Lyford
This is what the register shows
Lyford Register shows marriage to James Rutland, witness Charles
Dormor
DaughterHarriet DORMANbaptism 20 Apr 1817Lyford
SonThomas DORMANbaptism 18 Sep 1819Lyford
Date of death was 13 Sep 1819 in Lyford. Burial register uses surname of
DORMAN, 2 days old
SonDavid DORMANbaptism 27 Aug 1820Lyford
Burial Register lists him as DORMER on 21 Jun 1891 in Lyford
Marriage to Mary Anne ALDWORTH. Charney Wooten, Berks copied
into Lyford from Hanney register. ALDER and ALDWORTH are
interchangeable surnames in my wife's line, so he could have
married a relation
His surname is shown as DORMER on 1841 and 1851 censuses
SonGiles DORMANbaptism 24 Feb 1823Lyford
Burial Lyford on 3 Jan 1898
DaughterMaria DORMANbaptism 30 Jan 1826Lyford
>>>SonIsrael DORMANbaptism 8 Jun 1828Lyford

1851 census transcription details for: New North Road, Ealing, Old Brentford
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107
Piece: 1699
Folio: 237
Page: 31
Reg. District: Brentford
Sub District: Brentford
Parish: Ealing
Enum. District: 2G
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: New North Road, Ealing, Old Brentford
County: Middlesex
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
ALLEN, John Head Married M 30 1821 Labourer Distillery
Minchington, Buckinghamshire
ALLEN, Ann Wife Married F 30 1821
Beddington, Surrey
ALLEN, John Son M 3 1848
Brentford, Middlesex
ALLEN, Susan Daughter F 0 (7 MOS) 1851
Brentford, Middlesex
DORMER, Israel Visitor Unmarried M 22 1829 Labourer Distillery
Lyford, Berkshire

This is the only person called Dormer living in correct place in 1841 that I can see:-

1841 England Census about Maria Dormer
Name: Maria Dormer
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1786
Gender: Female
Where born: Berkshire, England
Civil Parish: West Hanney
Hundred: Ock
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England

Registration District: Abingdon
Sub-registration District: Kingston Bagpuize
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 24
Book: 7
Folio: 5
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Maria Dormer 55

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Marriage states that Israel's father was called John...............

...................and as Israel is with the Alder family in 1841, then this seems a bit of a coincidence:-

England Marriages, 1538–1973

Nom: John Dormer

Nom du conjoint: Maria Alder

Date de l'événement: 19 Nov 1810
Lieu de l'événement: Uffington,Berkshire,England

Indexing Project (Batch) Nombre: M00677-1
Origine du système: England-ODM
Numéro de film: 251844

.............maybe worth looking into a bit closer?

For information Possible death

Deaths Dec 1865 (>99%)
Dormer Israel St Geo Han Sq 1a 207 Scan available - click to view

The 1841 doesn't help:

ALDER, John M 30 1811 Berkshire - Ag Lab
ALDER, Susan F 30 1811 Berkshire
ALDER, Mary F 13 1828 Berkshire
ALDER, Thomas M 11 1830 Berkshire
ALDER, George M 6 1835 Berkshire
ALDER, Giles M 4 1837 Berkshire
ALDER, Hester F 2 1839 Berkshire
ALDER, Edmond M 0 (3 months) 1841 Berkshire
DORMER, Israel M 13 1828 Berkshire - Ag Lab

Piece: 24 Book/Folio: 7/4 Page: 2
Registration District: Abingdon
Civil Parish: Hanney, West

Address: Lyford, Hanney, West, Lyford County: Berkshire

1841 Census Household Record
Household Information
Address Lyford
Parish Hanney, West
District Abingdon, Kingston Bagpuize
Administrative County Berkshire
Householder 1
Name John Alder
Age 30
Estimated Year of Birth 1811
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation
Birth Place Berkshire
Birth County Berkshire
Householder 2
Name Susan Alder
Age 30
Estimated Year of Birth 1811
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation
Birth Place Berkshire
Birth County Berkshire
Householder 3
Name Mary Alder
Age 13
Estimated Year of Birth 1828
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Berkshire
Birth County Berkshire
Householder 4
Name Thomas Alder
Age 11
Estimated Year of Birth 1830
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Berkshire
Birth County Berkshire
Householder 5
Name George Alder
Age 6
Estimated Year of Birth 1835
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Berkshire
Birth County Berkshire
Householder 6
Name Giles Alder
Age 4
Estimated Year of Birth 1837
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Berkshire
Birth County Berkshire
Householder 7
Name Hester Alder
Age 2
Estimated Year of Birth 1839
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Berkshire
Birth County Berkshire
Householder 8
Name Edmond Alder
Age 0
Estimated Year of Birth 1841
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Berkshire
Birth County Berkshire
Householder 9
Name Israel Dormer
Age 13
Estimated Year of Birth 1828
Relationship to Head of Household
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Berkshire
Birth County Berkshire

Why with this family

Possible marriage:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Israel Dormer - Labourer
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Fuller (full age)
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 27 Jul 1856
Parish: St Bride Fleet Street
Borough: City of London
Father Name: John Dormer - Labourer
Spouse Father Name: William Fuller - Labourer
Register Type: Parish Register

Neither married before and both living St Bride.

Witnesses: Charles Daniel Terry and Harriet Terry.

Everyone seemed able to sign the register.

1861 census


Person: DORMER, Israel Address: Britannia Place, Hammersmith

DORMER, Israel Head Married M 33 1828 Labourer
Hanney, Berkshire VIEW
DORMER, Elizabeth A Wife Married F 30 1831 Labourers Wife
Bradford, Berkshire VIEW
DORMER, Thomas Son Unmarried M 9 1852 Labourers Son
Bradford, Berkshire VIEW
DORMER, James Son Unmarried M 8 1853 Labourers Son
Bradford, Berkshire VIEW
DORMER, Charles Son Unmarried M 6 1855 Labourers Son
Bradford, Berkshire VIEW Piece: 24 Folio: 133 Page: 42 Registration District: Kensington Civil Parish: Hammersmith


He died in 1865

If he married, and knew his father, the details will be on his marriage cert

Hello Linda - how did you work back to him?

EDIT:
Who did he marry? (If at all)

can anyone help me find the parents of Israel dormer born 1828 in Lyford, Berkshire please as I seem to have got in a bit of a pickle :-(