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OneFootInTheGrave
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3 Jun 2013 14:34 |
I am that :-S I am not sure where to start, so here goes, I have a William G Thompson in my tree and have established on Scotlands People that he is a son of David Thompson and Jean Wotherspoon:-
06/07/1806 THOMSON WILLIAM DAVID THOMSON/JEAN WOTHERSPOON FR201 (FR201) M OLD MONKLAND OR COATBRIDGE /LANARK 652/00 0010 0236
I believe that this is his marriage but because Scotlands People does not give details of parents on records before 1855 I cannot say for definite say this correct:-
08/03/1831 THOMSON WILLIAM ELIZABETH MACAULAY/FR169 (FR169) M KILCHOMAN/ARGYLL 540/00 0010 0317
If this marriage is correct this would be their child and on Scotlands People this is the only child born to them between 1830-1840:-
26/02/1832 THOMSON DAVID WILLIAM THOMSON/ELIZABETH MCAULAY FR72 (FR72) M KILCHOMAN/ARGYLL 540/00 0010 0128
Now I come to the crux of my problem, if I have the correct William G Thompson then it appears that he died on 05/12/1876 in South Bountiful, Davis, Utah, in the United States, that said there is a vast amount of information around, mainly on Familysearch.org, about William G Thompson, and several suggest he was also married at some point to a Mary Ann Hales :-S
Can anyone assist me with this please because so far I have been unable to find any record of this marriage on Scotlands People, I actually have doubts about this marriage, and to be honest, I am totally :-S and out of my depth in trying to make sense of most of the information that is being bandied around.
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brummiejan
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3 Jun 2013 14:41 |
Hi. I can't help directly, but do you mind if I make a suggestion? It might help if you say how you have worked your way back to William Thompson in the first place. What you have put gives the impression that you are unsure of both his parents and his marriage, but you must have come by him somehow! Jan
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Malcolm
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3 Jun 2013 14:52 |
I often resort to statutory death searches in SP. It's probable that someone born from 1800 onward would make it to 1855. After that date (more or less) the death records often show the parent names. By carefully using the SP search engine you should be able to narrow down the results. The problem is that on SP you'd have to pay to view all the results...expensive.
I make and print out lists of relevant deaths then when visiting Edinburgh check the certificates. You can get through hundreds in a day and there's no charge above the 15 pound day fee.
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OneFootInTheGrave
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3 Jun 2013 15:09 |
brummiejan, perhaps my post may have been misleading, and I am in no doubt as to who his parents were.
I have this which is the extract from the Bountiful City Cemetery Records:-
Name: WILLIAM G THOMPSON Birth: 6/26/1806 - LANGLONE, OLD MONKLAND, LANARK, SCOTLAND Death: 12/5/1876 Relations Father: David Thompson Mother: Jean Wotherspoon Burial Information Burial: Bountiful City Cemetery, Bountiful, Davis, Utah, United States Grave Location: A-6-12-4-B
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GlasgowLass
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3 Jun 2013 15:26 |
1870 United States Federal Census about Wm G Thompson Name: Wm G Thompson Age in 1870: 64 Birth Year: abt 1806 Birthplace: Scotland Home in 1870: Bountiful, Davis, Utah Territory Race: White Gender: Male Post Office: Bountiful Value of real estate: View Image Household Members: Name Age Wm G Thompson 64
White /Male/Farmer. No one else in household
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brummiejan
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3 Jun 2013 15:37 |
Have you any reason to suppose he married at all? Jan
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GlasgowLass
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3 Jun 2013 15:38 |
James,
I am looking at this family on US census data from 1850 onwards.
1850 United States Federal Census about Mary A Thompson Name: Mary A Thompson [Mary Ann Hales] Age: 51 Birth Year: abt 1799 Birthplace: England Home in 1850: Decatur, Iowa Gender: Female Family Number: 39 Household Members: Name Age William Thompson 46 Mary A Thompson 51 Daniel Thompson 17 b Canada David Thompson 19 B Scotland William Thompson 15 b Canada Maria Thompson 12 b Missouri Orville Thompson 9 b IIllinois
1860 United States Federal Census about Orvil Thompson Name: Orvil Thompson Age in 1860: 19 Birth Year: abt 1841 Birthplace: Illinois Home in 1860: Bountiful, Davis, Utah Territory Gender: Male Post Office: Stoker Value of real estate: View Image Household Members: Name Age Wm G Thompson 54 Orvil Thompson 19
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OneFootInTheGrave
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3 Jun 2013 15:58 |
Thanks Anne, I think the David Thompson 19 B Scotland in the 1850 United States Federal Census must be the David Thompson born on 08/03/1831 in Scotland to William G Thompson and Elizabeth Macaulay - so I now need to try and see what happened to Elizabeth Macaulay and then try and find out when and where Mary Ann Hales came into the picture.
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OneFootInTheGrave
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3 Jun 2013 16:00 |
Jan I have details of his marriage to an Elizabeth Macaulay
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OneFootInTheGrave
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3 Jun 2013 16:03 |
Will catch up on this tomorrow, time for me to take a rest, thanks to all, take care :-)
Jim
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GlasgowLass
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3 Jun 2013 16:56 |
James, Can I ask why you think that the William who married Elizabeth McAuley in Kilchoman was the son of David Thomson and Jean Wotherspoon?
How does a Lanarkshire born man end up on the Isle of Islay?
Anne
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brummiejan
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3 Jun 2013 17:34 |
I suppose that's what I was trying to say Anne, in my own roundabout way, but you have done so clearly! It did strike me that there must be quite a few William G. Thom(p)sons born in Scotland? Jan
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GlasgowLass
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3 Jun 2013 18:23 |
I would like to try and uderstand this:Membership of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1830-1848 about William Thompson Name: William Thompson Gender: Male Relationship to Primary Person: Self (Head) Father: David Thompson [David Thomson] Mother: Jean Weatherspoon [Gean Weatherspoon] Birth Date: 16 Jun 1806 Alternate Birth Dates: Jun 10, 1806 Birth Place: Lanarkshire, Scotland Marriage Date: 8 Mar 1831 Marriage Place: Argylshire, Scotland Death Date: 5 Dec 1876 Death Place: Bountiful, Davis, Utah, USA Alternate Death Places: Bountiful, Davis, Utah, USA Utah, USA Residences: Bountiful, Davis, Utah, USA; 1860 LDS Church Ordinance Data: Baptism Date: July 1836 Officiator: Orson Hyde Ordained High Priest Date: December 30, 1860 Officiator: Samuel W. Richards LDS Temple Ordinance Data: Endowment Date: May 2, 1856 Endowment Date: June 22, 1892 Sealed to Spouse Date: November 3, 1869 Temple: Endowment House, Salt Lake City, UT, USA Vocations: Farmer; 1860 Comments: In 1860, William had a household of 2, a real wealth of $500, and apersonal wealth of $230. Comments: #21. William was a member of the Nauvoo 1st Ward. Household Members: Name Relation William Thompson Self (Head) David Thompson Child Daniel Thompson Child William Thompson Child Maria Thompson Child Orvil Thompson Child Eliza Jane Thompson Child
This was not a Posthumous Baptism! William Thomson was baptised within the LDS in 1836... Where? Missouri?
According to the census data, his 2nd and third children were born in Canada The other children were born in Missouri and Illinois. He was ordained and sealed to his spouse before his death but who was the spouse?
If he had an LDS baptisim in 1836, we would need to assume that HE provided his parents names, but this date is extremely early in LDS history. The LDS moved to Missouri around this time which also ads a bit of credence to this info.
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mgnv
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3 Jun 2013 19:21 |
1850 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MZ4D-S73 with image link 1870 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MNCR-GVQ with image link
Magnify 4 clicks, then save image 1860 http://archive.org/stream/populationschedu1313unix#page/n344/mode/1up
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=19365662 [can click on other photos, and the memorial tab with its links]
William G Thompson Birth: Jun. 26, 1806 North Lanarkshire, Scotland Death: Dec. 5, 1876 Bountiful Davis County Utah, USA Son of David and Jean Wotherspoon Thomson. Husband of Elizabeth McAuley. Father of Maria Thompson Hatch. Family links: Spouses: Mary Ann Hales (1798 - 1851)* Elizabeth McCauley Thompson (1810 - 1845)* Children: Daniel Thompson (1834 - 1912)* *Calculated relationship Burial: Bountiful Memorial Park Bountiful Davis County Utah, USA Plot: A-6-12-4-B
EDIT The earliest census I know of that covers Markham Twp, then in Northumberland district, is the Upper Canada 1842 - so by then they're in the US. The US 1840 just names the head of h/h, and counts in various age*sex categories of h/h members - it's hard to identify families that move around, and, usually, not very helpful if you do locate them.
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3 Jun 2013 20:47 |
? Mary Ann Hales--------William Thomson,marriage entry--1810--1934,
Adam, Illinois,
no dates given,no other names given.
familysearch.org.
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GlasgowLass
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3 Jun 2013 21:39 |
I had a look on Ancestry and there is a tree with detailed info. It contains transcribed letters written by William, and the transcriber says they are addressed to his parents. I will PM or email these to James.
In one letter William writes about the the birth and death of youngest child ( a daughter) and informs them of the death his wife in Illinois, but he doesn't name her. However, his wife died in 1845 ( fell down stairs) and it must be Elizabeth as his wife is Mary A on the 1850 return.
I am guessing that his parents must still have been living in Scotland at the time and should at least be found on an 1841 return?
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GlasgowLass
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3 Jun 2013 23:17 |
I have PM'd the transcripts to James and I assume that these are the parents in 1841.1841 Scotland Census about David Thomson Name: David Thomson Age: 60 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1781 Gender: Male Where born: Scotland Civil Parish: Shettleston County: Lanarkshire Address: Cranhill Occupation: Ag Lab Parish Number: 622 Household Members: Name Age David Thomson 60 Jean Thomson 60 Robert Thomson 25 *** Alexander Fraser 35
*** Robert is mentioned in one of the letters
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OneFootInTheGrave
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4 Jun 2013 08:00 |
Anne (GlasgowLass) - Thanks for all that information and the letters, very interesting
Malcolm (mgnv) - Thanks for that information and the links
& Kay (Kay????) - Thanks for that
Looks like I am on the right track, this morning I looked for a marriage on Familysearch.org for Mary Ann Hales, Event: Marriage, Place: United States, Event Range: 1845-1855, Spouse Name: William G Thompson in Ancestral File and Pedigree Resource File and found this, in total my search produced 10 results and several of these suggest that Mary Ann Hales had been married to a Stephen Hales before she married William G Thompson.
International Genealogical Index (IGI)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/9M2Y-VYZ&view=basic
name: William G. Thompson gender: male birth: 26 June 1806 Langlone, Old Munkland, Lanark, Scotland death: marriage: about 1847 Iowa Marriages (1) spouse: Mary Ann Hales marriage: about 1847 Iowa Submitted By (2)
unknown38379 cshardisty66634
Citing This Record "International Genealogical Index (IGI)", database, FamilySearch (http://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/9M2Y-VYZ : accessed 2013-06-04), entry for William G. Thompson.
I have also found this which gives much information about Mary Ann Hales, her family, and her first husband:-
http://www.myfamilysearch.net/getperson.php?personID=I1821&tree=2005217a
Jim
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OneFootInTheGrave
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5 Jun 2013 16:04 |
Just to an update everyone on this one, I think, and hope, that I have managed to do all the relevant updates to my tree for William G Thompson the son of David Thomson and Jean Wotherspoon, his two wives Elizabeth McCauley & Mary Ann Hales plus the various children, not easy with my sight problems but got there - so a big thank you to everyone for your assistance <3
That means, thanks to your help I have now managed to sort out 4 of the siblings of Jean Wotherspoon, looking at the 3 that I have still to sort out, they look as they will also be quite a challenge.
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