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2 Jun 2013 23:31 |
I am interested in tracing the history of my Great Grandfather,who was born James Thomas Wilson on the 26th December 1878 in Deptford, London.Sometime in the 1890's he switched his name to Thomas James Wilson.He worked in various jobs including being a general laborer and factory hand,but more specifically as a Printers Cutter. When his father died in 1901,he moved to Bermondsey where he married my Great Grandmother,Henrietta Rose Cornwell.They had four children which included my Grandmother.After the birth of the last child in 1909,Thomas appears to have abandoned his family and was never seen again. Any information on him would be gratefully received. Thank you. Jonathan Clements.
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ArgyllGran
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3 Jun 2013 00:27 |
I'm not sure from your post if you have this?
1911 England Census about Thomas Wilson Name: Thomas Wilson Age in 1911: 32 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879 Relation to Head: Visitor Gender: Male Birth Place: DEPTFORD, England Civil Parish: Deptford St Paul County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 9 Brookmill Road, Deptford S E Marital Status: Married Occupation: PRINTERS CUTTER Registration District: Greenwich Registration District Number: 28 Sub-registration District: Deptford South ED, institution, or vessel: 26 Piece: 2667 Household Members: Name Age Ernest Medhurst 36 Ada Medhurst 37 Arthur Medhurst 31 Elizabeth Medhurst 36 Sidney Medhurst 13 Gordan Medhurst 5 Ernest Medhurst 4 William Medhurst 1 Thomas Wilson 32
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ArgyllGran
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3 Jun 2013 00:51 |
If Thomas is in Deptford in 1911, and Henrietta Rose is with her parents & siblings in Bermondsey, where are the 3 surviving children? What are their names? Both parents are listed as married.
1911 England Census about Henrietta Rose Wilson Name: Henrietta Rose Wilson Age in 1911: 32 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Birth Place: London, United Kingdom Civil Parish: Bermondsey County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 12 Lockwood Rd, Bermondsey S E Marital Status: Married Years Married: 8 Estimated Marriage Year: 1903 Registration District: St Olave (Bermondsey) Registration District Number: 24 Sub-registration District: Bermondsey ED, institution, or vessel: 33 Piece: 1901 Household Members: Name Age Esther Ann Cornwell 58 Esther Annie Cornwell 34 Henrietta Rose Wilson 32 >>>> 4 children, 3 still living Alice Mary Cornwell 24 Walter Sidney Cornwell 22 William Henry Cornwell 20 Emma Edith Cornwell 18 Arthur Samuel James Cornwell 16
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Moira
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3 Jun 2013 05:13 |
one of the children I think
Name: Violet Wilson Record Type: Birth Estimated Birth Date: 24 Dec 1902 Father's Name: James Wilson Mother's Name: Henrietta Wilson Parish or Poor Law Union: Lambeth Borough: Lambeth Register Type: Parish Registers
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Moira
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3 Jun 2013 05:27 |
there is also this one
Violet Wilson Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 2 Jan 1902 Father's Name: James Wilson Mother's Name: Henrietta Wilson Parish or Poor Law Union: Lambeth St Philip Borough: Lambeth Register Type: Parish Registers
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Susan
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3 Jun 2013 07:35 |
For Ref is this him.
1891 England Census about James T Wilson Name: James T Wilson Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879 Relation: Son Father's Name: John Wilson Mother's Name: Charlotte Wilson Gender: Male Where born: Deptford, London, England Civil Parish: St Paul Deptford Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke County/Island: London Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration District: Greenwich Sub-registration District: St Paul Deptford ED, institution, or vessel: 20 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 498 Folio: 5 Page Number: 3 Household Members: Name Age John Wilson 58 Charlotte Wilson 54 Elizabeth Wilson 16 Edith M Wilson 14 James T Wilson 12
Edit What was the names of James and Henriettas children please. Do you have datesand places for there births :-)
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Susan
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3 Jun 2013 07:41 |
Could this be him in Hospitol 1911
1911 England Census about James Wilson Name: James Wilson Age in 1911: 32 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879 Relation to Head: Patient Gender: Male Birth Place: London, United Kingdom Civil Parish: St Botolph without Aldgate, Mile End New Town and Whitechapel County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: Whitechapel Infirmary, Vallance Road E Marital Status: Single Occupation: GENERAL LABOURER Registration District: Whitechapel Registration District Number: 18 Sub-registration District: Whitechapel ED, institution, or vessel: 21-30 Piece: 1497 Household Members: Name Age James wilson 32
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Chris Ho :)
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3 Jun 2013 07:58 |
Name: Annie Florence Wilson Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 18 Feb 1903 (Born 16th Jan) Father's Name: Thomas James Wilson (Warehouse Man) Mother's Name: Henrietta Rose Wilson Parish or Poor Law Union: Rotherhithe Christ Church Borough: Southwark Register Type: Parish Registers (address, 403, Southwark Park Road)
Name: Stanley Arthur Wilson Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 24 Feb 1904 (Born 1st Feb) Father's Name: Thomas James Wilson (Warehouse Man) Mother's Name: Henrietta Rose Wilson Parish or Poor Law Union: Bermondsey St Crispin Borough: Southwark (address, 403, Southwark Park Road)
Chris :)
Marriages Sep 1902 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------------------- Cornwell Henrietta Rose St. Olave 1d 399 Wilson Thomas James St. Olave 1d 399
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Susan
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3 Jun 2013 08:37 |
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Minnie Alice Wilson Name: Minnie Alice Wilson Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 31 May 1905 Father's Name: Thomas Wilson Mother's Name: Henrietta Wilson Parish or Poor Law Union: Worlds End St John Borough: Kensington and Chelsea Register Type: Parish Registers London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Violet Henrietta Wilson Name: Violet Henrietta Wilson Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 29 Jul 1903 Father's Name: Thomas Wilson Mother's Name: Henrietta Wilson Parish or Poor Law Union: Worlds End St John Borough: Kensington and Chelsea Register Type: Parish Registers Is this the family in 1911.
1911 England Census about Henrietta Wilson Name: Henrietta Wilson Age in 1911: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1904 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Birth Place: London, United Kingdom Civil Parish: Chelsea County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 38 Lamont Road, Chelsea Occupation: SCHOOL Registration District: Chelsea Registration District Number: 4 Sub-registration District: Chelsea North ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Piece: 374 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Wilson 31 >>bn London Henrietta Wilson 31>>Bn london Henrietta Wilson 7 >>BN Kensinton London Minnie Wilson 5 >>Bn Kensington London Thomas Wilson 3 >>Chelses London Edit 4 children Bn ...1 died Married 10 years Thomas is a Labourer
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Chris Ho :)
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3 Jun 2013 08:56 |
1911 WILSON, Stanley Inmate M 6 1905 London Bermondsey RG number: RG14 Piece: 3322 Reference: RG14PN3322 RD39 SD2 ED41 SN9999 Registration District: Croydon Sub District: South Croydon Enumeration District: 41 Parish: Croydon Address: Wickham Road Shirley Croydon County: Surrey Institution: Bermondsey Workhouse Schools.
(also Florence age 7)
Chris :)
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ArgyllGran
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3 Jun 2013 10:51 |
Jonathan - Before we search further, I think we need you to tell us which, if any, of the above records relate to your James/Thomas Wilson and family, please.
No point in haring off in the wrong direction!
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Susan
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3 Jun 2013 11:00 |
Totally agree :-) there are a few could be's.
I can't find a possible Death Reg for him or Travel Passage .
Sue :-)
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Chris Ho :)
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3 Jun 2013 11:18 |
http://genforum.genealogy.com/wilson/messages/25473.html
(an old query above)
Wondering who was born 1909?...
Chris :)
edits (checking 'Search All Trees', looks to be Henry Wilson 1909, 26, Slippers Place, Rotherhithe)
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ArgyllGran
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3 Jun 2013 21:35 |
Henrietta's death:
Deaths Mar 1913 (>99%) Wilson Henrietta R 34 St Olave 1d 232
Thomas's birth:
Births Mar 1879 (>99%) Wilson James Thomas Greenwich 1d 997
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Jonathan
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4 Jun 2013 04:49 |
Wow! I didn't expect to get so many answers so quickly. On other genealogical websites I haven't had a single reply in many years, so I'm grateful for all your efforts. The 1911 census with the Medhurst family is definitely my Great Grandfather. His parents were indeed John and Charlotte Wilson of Deptford. I'm staggered that people have made the connection with Stanley and Florence Wilson at the Shirley Schools as this is my Great Uncle Stanley Arthur Wilson 1904-1985 and Grandmother Annie Florence Wlson 1903-1994. My Great Grandmother Henrietta Rose Wilson nee Cornwell was indeed at 12 Lockwood Road in 1911 and died in January 1913. Her other remaining children were Henry Wilson 1909-1910 at 26 Slippers Place Rotherhithe and George Thomas Wilson 1907-1991. However I'm afraid that Sue hit the main problem in that I've been unable to find a death, marriage or travel passage register for either a James Thomas, or Thomas James Wilson in the period after 1911. Part of the problem is the name change but also the popularity of the surname of Wilson. Unless I can find evidence to the contrary I will have to conclude that he enlisted in The Great War of 1914-18 and that he died and his records were lost in the fire that engulfed the War dept in 1940. There are any number of records in the medal index and the various rolls of honour that could relate to him. However I won't know this with any certainty til the 1921 census is published. In the meantime I am grateful for all your efforts and if you find anything please let me know. Thank You.
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4 Jun 2013 08:10 |
WILSON, George Inmate M 3 1908 London Bermondsey
(can see above, also in school with others)
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