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1841 as Holden



Piece: HO107/1143/4 Place: Birmingham -Warwickshire Enumeration District: 9
Civil Parish: B'ham (St Mary) Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 30 Page: 21
Address: 54 Potter St

HOLDEN John M 30 Pearl Button Maker Warwickshire
HOLDEN Mary F 25 Warwickshire
HOLDEN Susanna F 8 Warwickshire
HOLDEN Joseph M 7 Warwickshire
HOLDEN John M 5 Warwickshire
HOLDEN Sarah F 7m Warwickshire
FLOYED Susannah F 5 Warwickshire

John Holder, "England Marriages, 1538–1973 "
Name: John Holder
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Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Hepel
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Event Date: 12 Sep 1831
Event Place: Aston Juxta Birmingham,Warwick,England
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Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01168-1
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 1426010 IT 1, 501830, 501831, 501833, 507832
Reference ID:

Possible deaths
Civil registration event: Death
Name:HOLDER, John
Registration district: Birmingham
County:Warwickshire
Year of registration:1859
Quarter of registration:Oct-Nov-Dec
Volume no:6D
Page no:127
or
Civil registration event: Death
Name:HOLDER, John
Registration district: Birmingham
County:Warwickshire
Year of registration:1860
Quarter of registration:Jan-Feb-Mar
Volume no:6D
Page no:126


Not seeing a death for John Holder in Dudley, Staffordshire 1860/61

Family in 1861

HOLDER, Mary Head Widow F 49 1812 Pearl Button Maker Shropshire
HOLDER, Caroline Daughter Unmarried F 17 1844 Pearl Button Maker Birmingham, Warwickshire
HOLDER, William Son M 15 1846 Britannia Metal Worker Birmingham, Warwickshire
HOLDER, Henry Son M 15 1846 Errand Boy Birmingham, Warwickshire
SHEPHERD, Mary Lodger Married F 44 1817 Charwoman Birmingham, Warwickshire

Piece: 2159
Folio: 111
Page: 12
Registration District: Birmingham
Civil Parish: Birmingham
Municipal Borough: Birmingham
Address: 7, Stonehouse Place, Birmingham
County: Warwickshire

Eveie

Is that info you posted from a tree? Does it have any verification?

Possible 1841
Wrong one, will leave on though
HOLDER, John M 25 1816 Warwickshire Button turner
HOLDER, Elizabeth F 30 1811 Warwickshire
HOLDER, Sarah F 5 1836 Warwickshire

Piece: 1144
Book/Folio: 7/52
Page: 20
Registration District: Birmingham
Civil Parish: Birmingham
Municipal Borough: Birmingham
Address: Charles Street, Little, Birmingham
County: Warwickshire

This John is still with Elizabeth in 1861

HOLDER, John Head Married M 48 1813 Metal Button Former Birmingham, Warwickshire
HOLDER, Elizabeth Wife Married F 54 1807 Birmingham, Warwickshire
ASTON, William Boarder M 13 1848 Brass Dresser Birmingham, Warwickshire

Piece: 2147
Folio: 76
Page: 29
Registration District: Birmingham
Civil Parish: Birmingham
Municipal Borough: Birmingham
Address: 8, Nova Scotia Street, Birmingham
County: Warwickshire

For ref:
1851

HOLDER, John Head Married M 41 1810 Pearl Button Maker Birmingham, Warwickshire
HOLDER, Mary Wife Married F 39 1812 Huckster Bilston, Staffordshire
HOLDER, Joseph Son Unmarried M 16 1835 Pearl Button Maker Birmingham, Warwickshire
HOLDER, John Son M 15 1836 At Home Aston, Warwickshire
HOLDER, Richard Son M 9 1842 At Home Birmingham, Warwickshire
HOLDER, Caroline Daughter F 7 1844 At Home Birmingham, Warwickshire
HOLDER, William Son M 4 1847 At Home Birmingham, Warwickshire
HOLDER, Henry Son M 2 1849 At Home Birmingham, Warwickshire
STEVENS, Joseph Father In Law Married M 65 1786 Glass Blower Kingswinford, Worcestershire
STEVENS, Siderina Mother In Law Married F 68 1783 Broseley, Shropshire

Piece: 2058
Folio: 756
Page: 27
Registration District: Birmingham
Civil Parish: Saint Stephens
Municipal Borough: Birmingham
Address: 52, Harding Street, Saint Stephens, Birmingham
County: Warwickshire

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John Holder
Birth 5 Dec 1812
in Warwickshire,
England
Death 21 Dec 1860
in Dudley,
Staffordshire,
England
Timeline
Birth18125 Dec
Warwickshire,
England
Marriage to Mary Ann Stevens183112 Sep Age: 18 1652385, Warwickshire, England
Residence1851 Age: 39Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Death186021 Dec Age: 48Dudley, Staffordshire, England
Residence1871 Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire, England .
Family Members
Parents
Richard Holder 1792 – 1847
Mary Ann Denney 1793 – 1864
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Spouse & Children
Mary Ann Stevens 1812 – ..

i am researching the holder family of birmingham,and have a problem i hope someone can answer.i am at the the moment looking into the life of John Holder b 1812 in Birmingham-d Birmingham workhouse Dec 1860[not confirmed].He supposedly married a Mary Ann Stevens b Bilston,Staffs in 1812,and from what i can gather had 10 children,of which i have record of 9;1]Susannah b 1832 d 1892,2]Joseph Thomas b1835,d 1920 approx,3]John Henry b 1836 d1890,4]Mary Ann b1837 d ?5]Sarah Ann b 1840,d 1845,6]Richard b 1842 d 1904,7]Caroline b 1844 d1872[not certain]8]William Henry b 1847 d 1864 and 9]Henry b 1849 d 1896.I have recently obtained the birth certificates for Caroline and Richard ,also the birth and death certificates for Sarah Ann,and on all four it states the mothers name was formally Herbert,not Stevens.On every site and record i have looked at,includind census it states the mothers name was formally Stevens. I have as yet been unable to find a record of a John Holder marrying a Mary Ann Stevens or Herbert around that time .Has anyone got any suggestions,and also put a name to the tenth child,also confirm Carolines death date.thank you.