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The friend I have been doing it for is actually away on holiday at the moment so will have to confirm details with him as soon as I can.

Wow, thank you ever so much

Had a hairdressing appointment and then been to Asda and only just got back on GR after making meal.

Once again, thank you so much

Barbara

This could be the birth of grandfather John Parker:

Births Sep 1844 (>99%)
Parker John Ashton L 20 168

Assuming this is the right family, of course!

Lots of John Parkers, so any findings for him will need to be confirmed with the marriage cert. as probate doesn't give his occupation.

I wonder if this could be John Parker in the 1911 census. The birthplace given is wrong but he says he was born Ashton which is where his grandfather was born in the 1901 census record. Perhaps he didn't actually know that he was born in America. Oldham registration district is where Lottie was living in 1911 too:-

1911 census transcription details for: 331 Lee Street Oldham

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN24519 RG78PN1405 RD469 SD3 ED20 SN59
Reg. District: Oldham
Sub District: Oldham South
Parish: Oldham
Enum. District: 20

Address: 331 Lee Street Oldham
County: Lancashire

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

SPELLMAN, Elizabeth Head Widow F 38 1873 Machinist Children Mill Manchester Lanc
SPELLMAN, Francis William Son M 12 1899 School Boy Manchester Lanc
SPELLMAN, Elizabeth Daughter F 11 1900 School Boy Manchester Lanc
SPELLMAN, Florence Daughter F 9 1902 School Girl Oldham Lancs
SPELLMAN, Doris Daughter F 4 1907 Oldham Lancs
BIRCH, Emma Mother Widow F 82 1829 Private Means Domestic Birmingham Warwick
PARKER, John Lodger Single M 20 1891 Dairy Man Ashton under Lyne Lanc<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
BIRCH, Joseph Visitor M 13 1898 School Boy Manchester Lanc
BIRCH, Annie Visitor F 11 1900 School Girl Manchester Lanc
BIRCH, Fred Visitor M 9 1902 School Boy Manchester Lanc

Kath. x

This looks like Lottie in 1911:-

1911 census transcription details for: 106 Sandy Lane Middleton

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN24572 RG78PN1407 RD469 SD5 ED17 SN259
Reg. District: Oldham
Sub District: Middleton
Parish: Middleton
Enum. District: 17

Address: 106 Sandy Lane Middleton
County: Lancashire

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

LANCASHIRE, Alice Head Widow F 68 1843 Lancashire Middleton
LANCASHIRE, Annie Daughter Single F 33 1878 Frame Tenter Cardroom Lancashire Middleton
LANCASHIRE, Lottie Daughter Single F 28 1883 Dressmaker Lancashire Middleton<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Kath. x

Can't see any of that 1901 Parker family conclusively in 1911, though.

Glad you have got so much information on this.

This is the transcription of the marriage from Findmypast:-


Name: WOLFENDEN, John
Registration district: Middleton
County: Lancashire
Year of registration: 1941
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Parker
Volume no: 8D
Page no: 1679

Name: PARKER, Lilly E
Registration district: Middleton
County: Lancashire
Year of registration: 1941
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Wolfenden
Volume no: 8D
Page no: 1679

However looking at the image I can see that whoever transcribed this page has taken the Lilly E. from the marriage above Lottie's by mistake. The image DOES have John Wolfenden marrying Lottie Parker.

Sorry for any confusion.

Kath. x

Oooo argyllgran, that looks promising!

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1901 England Census about John Parker
Name: John Parker
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: New York, United States

Civil Parish: Oldham
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration District: Oldham
Sub-registration District: Oldham Below Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 192
Piece: 3808
Folio: 52
Page Number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
John Parker 58
Caroline Parker 55
John Parker 11

Thank you for so much help

I am actually looking into this family tree for a friend, who is a Wolfenden (the John Wolfenden mentioned in my OP was his grandfather), and I was off on FreeBMD and Ancestry doing a little more looking on his other side. Yes this is the family and thank you for so much help.

Many thanks
Barbara

freebmd version !!

Marriages Jun 1921
Lancashire L(oe)ttie - Bar*er - Ecclesall B. 9c 684

If the probate is him, then you now know he was born abt.1892. However, you will still need the marriage cert. to find out his occupation, and who his father was which will help find him in 1911 and other census records!

Deaths Dec 1939 (>99%)
Wolfenden Emma 54 Middleton 8d 944

[EDIT - already posted by Astra]

John Wolfenden and Lottie Parker were both widowed at about the same time (if the death of John Henry above is the right one!) - must have thrown them together even more than usual.

If this is Lottie ( can't find it on ancestry) then she was still single in 1911


Name: Lottie Lancashire
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Gender: Female
Age: 28
Birthplace: Middleton, Lancashire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Oldham
Sub-District: Middleton
Parish: Middleton
County: Lancashire

????

Deaths Dec 1939 (>99%)
Parker John H 47 Romford 4a 860

Probate:
Parker, John Henry of 37 First Avenue, Dagenham, Essex, died 20th November 1939 at Oldchurch Hospital, Romford. Administration London 15 January 1940 to Lottie Parker, widow. Effects £273 0s 3d.

Lottie born 1893 not '84
Was just checking to see if Lottie was her birth name or a nickname.


Births Dec 1883
LANCASHIRE Lottie - Oldham 8d 680

Deaths Sep 1962 (>99%)
WOLFENDEN Lottie 78 Middleton 10e 395

Kath,
marriage is definately to Lottie Parker:-

Marriages Jun 1941
Parker Lottie Wolfenden Middleton 8d 1679

Is this your family?

1891 England Census about Emma Lancashire
Name: Emma Lancashire
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Lancashire
Mother's Name: Alice Lancashire
Gender: Female
Where born: Tonge, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Tonge
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Registration District: Oldham
Sub-registration District: Chadderton
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3318
Folio: 52
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Lancashire 66
Alice Lancashire 47
Charles Lancashire 23
Mary Ellen Lancashire 21
Tom Lancashire 18
Fred Lancashire 17
Joshua Lancashire 15
Annie Lancashire 13
Alice Lancashire 10
Lottie Lancashire 7 - 1884 born: Tonge, Lancashire
Emma Lancashire 5
........................................................

1901 England Census about Emma Lancashire
Name: Emma Lancashire
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Lancashire
Mother's Name: Alice Lancashire
Gender: Female
Where born: Middleton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Middleton
Ecclesiastical parish: Alkrington and Tonge St Michael
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Registration District: Oldham
Sub-registration District: Middleton
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 261
Piece: 3826
Folio: 51
Page Number: 40
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Lancashire 96
Alice Lancashire 57
Mary E Lancashire 31
Joshua Lancashire 25
Annie Lancashire 23
Alice Lancashire 20
Lottie Lancashire 17
Emma Lancashire 15
...........................................................

1911
LANCASHIRE, Alice Head Widow F 68 1843 Lancashire Middleton VIEW (10 children, 8living and 2 died)
LANCASHIRE, Annie Daughter Single F 33 1878 Frame Tenter Cardroom Lancashire Middleton VIEW
LANCASHIRE, Lottie Daughter Single F 28 1883 Dressmaker Lancashire Middleton VIEW

RG number: RG14 Piece: 24572 Reference: RG14PN24572 RG78PN1407 RD469 SD5 ED17 SN259 Registration District: Oldham Sub District: Middleton Enumeration District: 17 Parish: Middleton Address: 106 Sandy Lane Middleton County: Lancashire