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I was at the GRO in Glasgow last week.
I looked only at Sarah's birth record.
She was the daughter of Frank Marshall and Sarah Walsh.
I admit that I was rather sceptical, but your info is correct Georgette.

We thought poss that sarah maybe lilliaths daghter
But with dates u give
1909 liliath and 1917 sarah
This isn't possible
Unless this other sarah is the child...
Or its another sibling .. pos my nana..
Maybe there is 2 sarahs brought up together,
Especailly that the oldest is known by sadie.. xx

Sorry its the way I've wrote it. I ment especailly with my nana being the youngest xx

Copied and pasted from above
"But want to also make sure nana isn't the child of a sibling , especially her being the youngest, we suspect Sarah is but i have no d.o.b"


So you will now see Sarah could not have been the youngest as you suspected,.
This Sarah was about 15years older than your grandmother

Glasgow lass
Would u like to view my tree and see the info i have put, I'm sure I have the williaim and euphemia too.... trying to think of top of my head as im. On my mobile and cant get to computer just yet xx

It also matches info that she was married to.dobbins that i have xx

When I was very little I rembrr visiting aunty sadie ( who we guess real name Sarah) but her partner was uncle Bill, mum said she had married before , tho uncle bill may have just been her partner,
She was ill when we visited her and died soon after this would be in the 1980s, tho i was very young I have a vivid memory of her in a bed in the livingroom
So id say the 1st Sarah is nana sister

The second Sarah I am unsure I will check children of siblings names and see if I have any sarahs xx

Hi Georgette,
I can see exactly where this is going off.

There were 2 girls named Sarah Walsh Marshall born in Ayrshire
The 1st who MUST have been Frank and Sarah's daughter was born in Ayrshire 1917.
THIS woman married James Dobbins in 1934 and died in 1983
and no evidence that she remarried at any point.
Using SP search for the 1983 death, her mother's name was Walsh and the only other names are Marshall and Dobbins. There is no match with Burgess or variant

The 2nd Sarah Walsh Marshall MUST be a grandchild of Frank and Sarah.
She was born in Ayrshire in 1931

Which Sarah do you think was your gran's sister???

Thank you glasgowlass
I have info for Francis and jeanie and further back stopping at a marraige of Francis and Janet finlay 1803
I have no reason believe they not nanas parents
But want to also make sure nana isn't the child of a sibling , especially her being the youngest, we suspect Sarah is but i have no d.o.b
I'll know soon when dad goes to the Mitchell library, xx

Hi Georgette,Firstly, I didn't use any credits for the information.
I have census access and used SP search facility only to find the births.

The info that I posted refers to the parents and siblings of Sarah Walsh and is only relevant if she is the mother of your grandmother, which is why you need her birth cert as confirmation.

Once you have this, finding additional info should be fairly straighforward, but I don't want to overload you with irrelevant info at this stage, incase Frank and Sarah are not her parents.

Irrespective, I am certain that your family will be descended from an older couple found in Ayrshire from 1850 onwards.
This couple were called Francis and Euphemia Marshall.
They had a number of sons and it looks fairly obvious that one son was called William , married Jeanie Samson who were the parent's of Francis ( who married Sarah Walsh).
It is entirely possible that your family is actually descended from one of Francis and Euphemia's other sons which is why you need your grandmother's birth cert.

Edit:
RE Sarah's age at time of her 1940 death.
She was aged 5 @ 1891 and 16 @ 1901.
Therefore she would be about 18 or 19yrs old at time of her 1904 marrige.
She died in 1940 which means she was around 54 yrs old at death.
Although it's not impossible , if she was Susan Gibbon Marshall's mother, she was about 46yrs old and married for 28yrs when she gave birth.

Hi Rootsgatherer yes, it's the indexes but I must admit that I found them very helpful. I was looking for a marriage in 1986 and a death in 1987. It was especially useful seeing the 'other' surname on the death cert - it clinched it for me :-D Cx

phone call made,
just need to compose an email and dad is going to go to the mitchell library :)
xx

thank you rootsgatherer
glasgows a little treck for her..... and as ive put before my mother is up that way (ayrshire at end of july)
dont think i can wait that long lol
but my father lives in glasgow, so that is great info,
ill have a good look at the link and give him a call :) xx

Cynthia. My apologies, that must be a very recent change to the SP website unless of course you refer to being able to look at the indexes for more recent events. As far as I was aware to view / download register entries they should meet the criteria as I have stated. I have been using the Scotlandspeople website since it's inception and have also visited the centre several times a year. Prior to the opening of the Scotlandspeople Centre I used New Register House on a very regular basis for over 20 years.

George,

I believe you can also use the Mitchell Library in Glasgow to view more recent entries. I am not sure how much that costs but it is probably only a little more than the cost of one certificate. If your Aunt could do that she would be able to look for ALL the recent entries that you need.

I think that there may also be a centre in Ayrshire that offers the same facilities.

EDIT

Here's some detail of the Ayrshire Centre

http://www.burnsmonumentcentre.co.uk/20,21/archives_family_and_local_history/research_your_family_history/


More details of the The Mitchell Library

http://www.glasgowlife.org.uk/libraries/the-mitchell-library/family-history/Pages/home.aspx

im thinking of asking my aunt, who lives in the area to go to the regestry office and purchase and post nans birth cert, think its only £10
if she goes to the correct regestry office will this be possible? she wouldnt have to go to Edinburgh would she, im guessing not
xx

Hi Rootsgatherer, Scotland's People is pay-per-view. You simply buy credits. I've been able to view very recent births, marriages and deaths from that site and have solved a family mystery by so doing. :-)

It costs about £12 to order a particular certificate to get fuller details.

thank you rootsgather
the reason was going to delete thread as was told some children were born in england, and it threw me a bit
i had a thought,..... maybe francis and elizabeth moved and had children and poss died in england
and thought maybe i should confirm info as i had stated all children were born in kilmarnock, and if the case that what i was thinking was right, i would start a fresh post and correct my info, i thought id add that on the end rather than delete in the future and start a new thread in the future and confuse others that have helped and adived, to let them no what i was doing

but on reasech and help from glasgows lass and speaking with fam, they didnt stay in kent but moved back to ayrshire, and i now will not delete the thread but just add
thanks for advice,
im an amuture and every bit of advice is really appricated
i find i go round the houses to get to ware im going and appologise if i start to sound confusing lol xxx

Births within the last 100 years, marriages 75 years and deaths 50 years cannot be viewed online from Scotlandspeople. You need to order the certificate or visit the Scotlandspeople Centre in Edinburgh (cost £15.00 per day) to view the entries from which you can make notes. Registration entries from earlier years can be viewed online and downloaded to your computer.

I notice that earlier on this thread that you express a desire to delete this thread at some point. That would really be pointless as it may help someone else with their research. You can easily add to this thread any further queries about this family or indeed update it with new information as you gather and confirm the facts as and when you are able to do so.

lilliath poss mother of one of the other female siblings,
do not have proof witch is mother or daughter, but is common knowledge
i have came a cross the name lillias in the past too,
think im going to busy lol xx

glasgowlass
id like to start by thanking you dearly for all the info above, in the research you have done for myself is really appreicated, as i know to get this info you have used credits, and im very gratfull of your time and money spent,

most of my info has been passed to me from a cousin, his info is threw reasearch and info hes been given from his mum I.E , frank died in scotland as she visited him in hospital just before hand, his grandfather is francis b. 1921,
we have never met and have connected over the internet, during my search :)
and have been told same info from our parents that I.E sadie/sarah is the same person
i appologise i didnt put this info above, but thought if i just put the names, maybe another marshall link would pick up on them
i have seen documentation, tho its not a family tree document, but it states my nan had 19 siblings
whitch my cousin has also been told , 2 half siblings, william poss a twin the other died.....
ive also been told by my cousin and also off my mum, one of the siblings is actally a child to another sibling ( we think liliath )
i do not have my nanas birth cert, and will be intresting to make sure she isnt that sibling
as i took majority of info to be correct i have mainly been trying to get further back, but now i see i am going to concentrate on validating all the info i have been given
ive recently asked cousin for copys of certs and as soon as hes free hes going to email me them :)

i have some info about the marraige of frank ( i prosomed this short for francis tho have done name searches in the past for both name and have note book full of possibiltys to do with the family
really intresting to see that sarahs has irish roots,
that will be intresting to look at in the future

all i have on elizabeth cavins is that she was born at hurlford ayrshire, and married frank in 1944?? no certs of confermation
so may not be married, and the two extra children poss not franks,
then you say no death, so some info isnt matching here that ill try and find out



thank you so much again
if i purchase birth certs on line, will i have to wait till they arrive or can i download on to pc, and view all details
as eager to see what parents names are on nans cert xx


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