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MarieCeleste
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21 May 2013 08:28 |
Have sent Jany a newspaper article where Jabez was the victim of a woman buying a cake with a counterfeit coin.
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Jany
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21 May 2013 06:17 |
MarieCeleste Thank you for all the information..I think the wife Charlotte was just mistranscribed, he only seems to have had 2 wives. It seems like they were in London with the children as early as 1837 as the baptisms were then.Perhaps they had the children baptised at their new church? Chris Thank you also for everything you have added.I will go look at the oldbailey site. It is likely one of the baptisms in Portsmouth is Elizabeth. Thank you for helping
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Chris Ho :)
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20 May 2013 08:42 |
Baptism Day:31 Month:Jul Year:1808 Son/Daughter:Daughter Forename:Charlotte Surname:Gardner First Parent:Thomas Second Parent:Elizabeth Notes: Parish:Portsea St Mary County:Hampshire Record source:Hampshire Baptisms
Day:16 Month:Sep Year:1810 Son/Daughter:Daughter Forename:Elizabeth Surname:Gardner First Parent:Thomas Second Parent:Elizabeth Notes: Parish:Portsea St Mary County:Hampshire Record source:Hampshire Baptisms
(wonder if above is either?)
Chris :)
1861 (Find My Past) THURGOOD, ... Head Married M 64 1797 ... ..., Hertfordshire THURGOOD, Elizabeth Wife Married F 50 1811 Portsmouth, Hertfordshire (Hants) RG number: RG09 Piece: 237 Folio: 33 Page: 8 Sub District: 3 Hoxton New Town Enumeration District: Ecclesiastical Parish: Holy Trinity Hoxton Municipal Borough: Address: 18, Britannia Street, St Leonard Shoreditch County: London
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MarieCeleste
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20 May 2013 08:41 |
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Charlotte Elizabeth Thurgood Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 19 Jul 1846 - born 4 July Father's Name: Jabez Thurgood - baker Mother's Name: Elizabeth Thurgood Parish or Poor Law Union: Finsbury St Luke Borough: Islington Register Type: Parish Registers
Abode: Ironmonger Lane
The two names suggests that her mother might also be the same names.
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MarieCeleste
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20 May 2013 08:39 |
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Rebecca Thurgood Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 10 Oct 1837 - born 19 March 1837 Father's Name: Jabez Thurgood - baker Mother's Name: Harriet Thurgood Parish or Poor Law Union: Finsbury St Luke Borough: Islington Register Type: Parish Registers
Lived Bell Alley.
Baptised same day was brother Robert born 5 March 1835
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Chris Ho :)
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20 May 2013 08:35 |
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/forms/formMain.jsp
(some references to him on above)
Chris :)
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MarieCeleste
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20 May 2013 08:29 |
If he married Elizabeth in 1843 and is with her in 1861 then why is the wife in 1851 called Charlotte?
I see birthplace for Charlotte and Elizabeth is Portsmouth so perhaps same person?
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MarieCeleste
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20 May 2013 08:24 |
More on that 1843 marriage:
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Jabez Thurgood - baker Age: Full Age Spouse Name: Elizabeth Gummery Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 11 Jun 1843 Parish: Lambeth St John the Evangelist Borough: Lambeth Father Name: Thomas Thurgood - baker Spouse Father Name: Thomas Gardener - leather xxxxxxx (can't read) Register Type: Parish Register
Both widowed and of Ann Street.
Witnesses Thos Gardener and James Green.
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Chris Ho :)
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20 May 2013 07:35 |
Marriages Jun 1843 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------------ GUMMERY Elizabeth Lambeth 4 246 Thurgood Jabez Lambeth 4 246
Deaths Jun 1842 (>99%) ---------------------------------------------------- Thurgood Harriet Shoreditch 2 253
Births Sep 1846 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------- Thurgood Charlotte Elizabeth Shoreditch 2 443
(have you got an idea of area for 1841?)
Chris :)
1851 (Find My Past) THOROGOOD, Jabez Head Married M 53 1798 Pastry Cook Welwyn, Hertfordshire THOROGOOD, Charlotte Wife Married F 40 1811 Portsmouth, Hants THOROGOOD, Rebecca Daughter F 14 1837 Scholar St Luke, Middlesex THOROGOOD, Charlotte Daughter F 5 1846 Scholar St Luke, Middlesex Piece: 1521 Folio: 105 Page: 24 Registration District: Saint Luke Civil Parish: Saint Luke Middlesex Municipal Borough: Finsbury Address: 3, Bath Street, Saint Luke Middlesex, Finsbury County: Middlesex
Thorogood Jabez 1798 Welwyn Saint Luke, City Road
(also as above, GR Records)
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Jany
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20 May 2013 06:13 |
Jan and Eileen Thank you both very much for the additional info. Maddie Thanks for the birth,I didn't have that!
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Maddie
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19 May 2013 17:11 |
in case you don't have it Name: Jabez Thurgood Gender: Male Christening Date: 05 Feb 1797 Christening Place: BETHEL-INDEPENDENT,WELWYN,HERTFORD,ENGLAND Birth Date: 01 Jan 1797 Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: Thomas Thurgood Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Ann Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C06626-1 System Origin: England-ODM GS Film number: 0566027 (RG4 3181) Reference ID:
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Eileen
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19 May 2013 16:32 |
His second marriage says he is a baker,and also his father Thomas. Childrens baptisms say the same. Eileen
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brummiejan
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19 May 2013 16:30 |
You're welcome! Just a couple more things - 1861 has additional occ. of butter dealer and something which looks like 'home (or house) factor'? I can't see them 1841. Jan
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Jany
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19 May 2013 16:21 |
That's brilliant..Thank you very much.
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brummiejan
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19 May 2013 16:20 |
Both are def. the same man - occ pastry cook! Jan
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Jany
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19 May 2013 16:18 |
Jan Thank you very much... does the census say what his job was please.?
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brummiejan
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19 May 2013 16:16 |
1861 England Census Name: Jabez Thurgood Age: 64 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1797 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Thurgood Gender: Male Where born: Wellwyn, Hertfordshire, England Civil Parish: Shoreditch St Leonard Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity County/Island: Middlesex Registration District: Shoreditch Sub-registration District: Hoxton New Town
Jabez Thurgood 64 Elizabeth Thurgood 50
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19 May 2013 16:14 |
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1851 England Census about Name: Jabez Thorogood Age: 53 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1798 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Charlotte Thorogood Gender: M (Male) Where born: Welwyn, Hertfordshire, England Civil Parish: St Luke Old Street Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke County/Island: Middlesex Registration District: St Luke Sub-registration District: City Road
Jabez Thorogood 53 Charlotte Thorogood 40 Rebecca Thorogood 14 Charlotte Thorogood 5
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Jany
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19 May 2013 15:55 |
Could I possibly have a census lookup please? Jabez Thurgood born 1800c in either Herts or London.. 1841 he should be with wife Harriet and children Mary, Rebecca,Robert and Harriet. Wife Harriet died in 1842, he then married again(1846 to Elizabeth Gummery) 1851 onwards would be with wife Elizabeth born 1810 Holborn and an extra daughter Charlotte born 1846. I have tried to find them on the Genes census but no luck..Thank you
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