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Name: Louise E Gray
Birth Date: abt 1884
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1968
Age at Death: 84
Registration District: Henley
Inferred County: Oxfordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 894

This one died before the marriage of Lilian


Name: Bertie G Gray
Birth Date: abt 1881
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1941
Age at Death: 60
Registration District: Hendon
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 702



Name: Bertie George Gray
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1903
Registration District: St George Hanover Square
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 1a
Page Number: 1139

Louisa Ethel Redgrave




1911 census transcription details for: 47 Rossetti Buildings Millbank Estate Westminster

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National Archive Reference:
RG14PN471 RG78PN16 RD5 SD3 ED6 SN127
Reg. District: St George
Sub District: St Margaret and St John
Parish: St Margaret and St John
Enum. District: 6
Address: 47 Rossetti Buildings Millbank Estate Westminster
County: London
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
GRAY, Bertie George Head Married M 30 1881 Joiner And Cabinet Maker Sawbridgeworth Herts
GRAY, Louisa Ethel Wife Married
7 years F 27 1884 Kentish Town
GRAY, Lilian Ethel Daughter F 7 1904 London Pimlico
GRAY, Herbert George Son M 2 1909 London Earlsfield



More children after 1911

Births Mar 1912 (>99%)
Gray Constance L Redgrave St.Geo.H.Sq. 1a 819
Births Sep 1913 (>99%)
Gray Reginald S Redgrave St.Geo.H.Sq. 1a 792
Births Sep 1921 (>99%)
Gray Doris M Redgrave Romford 4a 1088
Births Mar 1925 (>99%)
Gray Joyce D Redgrave Romford 4a 955

I think the person whos birth cert that you have married in 1947 and is still alive living in Romford so will delete my post

I cannot see anyone pointing out the 1911 census...Am I missing something?

I think i'll have to concede that i've got the wrong certificate and that it is Joyce D born 1925 not 1923. There is a Bertie George on the 1911 census as someone has pointed out whose wife is not a Svall or Ivall but Redgarve. However i'm very grateful to all of you who have taken the time to help. Thank you.

Also she would not have to prove her name or her fathers name when she married...so she could have called herself Joyce Doreen instead of Joyce Lilian...I know my grandmother had different middle names on her marriage cert to that on her birth cert

I am only a standard member and it was the index on ancestry where I looked...transcription says D but index says L

I'm only a standard member on here so unable to look at transcript. I've looked on Ancestry and it's definitely a D. I sent off for the Joyce D but got back Joyce Lilian Don't think there was any other certificate for an option.Thanks for your help.

Did you look at the index? it looks like an L not a D

Maybe Bertie was what she knew her father as?

Or maybe you have the wrong cert?

I did find the above marriage but what i can't seem to work out is why the certificate i sent for came back with Joyce Lilian not Joyce D Gray and also the father is different. Yet the only Joyce i can find mother Ivall or Svall is Joyce D Gray . Hope this makes sense.

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Marriages Jun 1914 (>99%)
Barbrook Frank G Vince W.Ham 4a 428
Gray Henry W Ivall W. Ham 4a 428
Ivall Margaret A Gray W.Ham 4a 428
Vince Emma M Barbrook W.Ham 4a 428

I have a marriage certificate of an Aunt, Joyce Doreen Mahoney, maiden name Gray.Age when married in 1948 25. The certificate say's her father was Bertie George Gray, desceased. Finding a Joyce D Gray for 1923 reg district West Ham . Mother's maiden name Svall, i sent for a certificate. I got back the following details. Joyce Lilian Gray father Henry William Gray maiden name of mother what looks like Svall . I couldn't find a marriage for a Margaret Annie Svall and Henry William Gray. But did find one for Ivall. I also looked for a marriage between Bertie George Gray and a Svall or Ivall but could find none. As afar as i can see there isn't a Joyce Lilian Gray with a mother's maiden name as Svall or Ivall. It all a bit complicated but if anyone can throw some light on this, i'd really appreciate it.