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Charlotte
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13 May 2013 00:59 |
Hoping you smart folks can find a 1901 census for them. Couple married 1887 Brentford District. After childhood he only shows as Arthur. He born Chelsea, London 1864 to Matthew Bates and Mary Ann Caroline Daly. She born (Great) Stanmore, Middlesex 1865 to Henry Tomlins and Sarah Seward. Have 1891 census with children Florence (1888), Harold (1889) and Robert (1890). By 1911 she is a widow having had 14 children of whom nine are still living. 1911 oldest two still in home and added Percy (1896), Reginald (1897), Arthur (1900) and Edward (1904). Through Percy born Teddington, then Reginald born Kew, Arthur born Twickenham and Edward born Ealing. Have tried with and without surname, children's names, etc.
1891
Arthur Bates Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
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Spouse's Name:
Margaret Bates
Where born:
Chelsea, Middlesex, England
Civil parish:
Teddington
Household Members:
Arthur Bates 26
Margaret Bates 25
Florence Bates 3
Harold Bates 2
Robert Bates 6/12
1911
Margaret Bates 44
Harold Roland Bates 22
Florence Harriel Bates 23
Percy Bates 15
Reginald Bates 14
Arthur Bates 11
Edward Bates 7
Many thanks for trying.
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Mike *
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13 May 2013 01:25 |
Arthur Edwin Bates
Birth 8 Sep 1864 inChelsea, Death 10 Jul 1910 in Isleworth, Middlesex, , England
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Robert Bates
Birth 1891 inTeddington, Death1894 inTeddington,
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Charlotte
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13 May 2013 03:11 |
Thank you Mike. You led me to Ancestry trees and indeed there are several other children there, but still no one has 1901.
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Fredk
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13 May 2013 07:17 |
Just posted for information
1881 Census Household Record Household Information Address 63, Cheyne Walk Parish Chelsea District Chelsea, Chelsea South Administrative County Middlesex Householder 1 Name Matthew Bates Age 45 Estimated Year of Birth 1836 Relationship to Head of Household Head Occupation Clerk Of Works Builder Birth Place Tilsworth Birth County Bedfordshire Householder 2 Name Mary Ann Caroline Bates Age 46 Estimated Year of Birth 1835 Relationship to Head of Household Wife Occupation Birth Place London Birth County Middlesex Householder 3 Name Francis Thomas Matthew Bates Age 23 Estimated Year of Birth 1858 Relationship to Head of Household Son Occupation Clerk Timber Merchant Birth Place London Birth County Middlesex Householder 4 Name Arthur Edwin Bates Age 16 Estimated Year of Birth 1865 Relationship to Head of Household Son Occupation Carpenters Apprentice Birth Place London Birth County Middlesex Householder 5 Name Albert Edward Bates Age 10 Estimated Year of Birth 1871 Relationship to Head of Household Son Occupation Scholar Birth Place London Birth County Middlesex
Someone might be able to search by Addresses if you have one I cannot
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Flip
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13 May 2013 07:25 |
I haven't found them in 1901, but they were still at the 1891 address when daughter was christened:
Harriet Florence Bates Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 8 Jan 1895 Father's Name: Arthur Edward Bates Mother's Name: Margaret Bates Parish or Poor Law Union: Teddington St Peter and St Paul Borough: Richmond upon Thames Register Type: Parish Registers
Born 9/10/1887, father a carpenter of 6 Fulwell Terrace. Though I've no idea why she was christened but not the other children - there's also this one which I think is the dead child - again address was the same:
Robert Richard Bates Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 3 May 1892 Father's Name: Arthur Bates Mother's Name: Margaret Bates Parish or Poor Law Union: Teddington St Peter and St Paul Borough: Richmond upon Thames Register Type: Parish Registers
Born 5/10/1890 - underneath I think it says "private", but don't know what that means.
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Fredk
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13 May 2013 07:31 |
Can anyone search by the address given by Flip
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Fredk
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13 May 2013 07:45 |
Again just for information
1911 Census Household Record Household information Address 23 Prince's Road West Ealing Parish Ealing Town West Ealing Type of Building Private House Number of Rooms 4 Rooms Inhabited Y Reference RG14PN6893 RG78PN343A RD128 SD4 ED26 SN165 Administrative County Middlesex Registration District Brentford Registration Sub District Brentford Enumeration District 26 Householder 1 Name Margaret Bates Relationship to Head of Household Wife Condition / Years Married Widow Gender F Age 44 Estimated Year of Birth 1867 Occupation Domistic Employed N Working at Home Y Place of Birth Sanmore Middlesex Nationality English Householder 2 Name Harold Rolland Bates Relationship to Head of Household Son Condition / Years Married Single Gender M Age 22 Estimated Year of Birth 1889 Occupation Assurance Agent Employed Y Working at Home N Industry Assurance Agent Place of Birth Teddington Middlesex Nationality English Householder 3 Name Florence Harriet Bates Relationship to Head of Household Daughter Condition / Years Married Single Gender F Age 23 Estimated Year of Birth 1888 Occupation Housing Finisher Employed Y Working at Home N Place of Birth Teddington Middlesex Nationality English Householder 4 Name Percy Bates Relationship to Head of Household Son Condition / Years Married Single Gender M Age 15 Estimated Year of Birth 1896 Occupation Errand Boy Employed Y Working at Home N Place of Birth Teddington Middlesex Nationality English Householder 5 Name Reginald Bates Relationship to Head of Household Son Gender M Age 14 Estimated Year of Birth 1897 Occupation Errand Boy Employed Y Working at Home N Place of Birth Kew Surrey Nationality English Householder 6 Name Aruther Bates Relationship to Head of Household Son Gender M Age 11 Estimated Year of Birth 1900 Occupation School Employed Y Working at Home N Place of Birth Twickinham Middlesex Nationality English Householder 7 Name Edward Bates Relationship to Head of Household Son Gender M Age 7 Estimated Year of Birth 1904 Occupation School Employed N Working at Home N Place of Birth Ealing Middlesex Nationality English Householder 8 Name Letitia Prier Relationship to Head of Household Lodger Condition / Years Married Widow Gender F Age 63 Estimated Year of Birth 1848 Occupation Needle Woman Employed N Working at Home Y Place of Birth Woodstock Oxfordshire Nationality English Householder 9 Name Martha Tomlin Relationship to Head of Household Visitor Condition / Years Married Single Gender F Age 45 Estimated Year of Birth 1866 Occupation Dress Maker Employed Y Working at Home N Place of Birth Hanmor Middesx Nationality English
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ChristinaS
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13 May 2013 07:46 |
6, Fulwell Terrace on the 1901 census has a William, Florence and Frederick Jerrome living there.
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Fredk
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13 May 2013 07:52 |
ChristinaS
It was worth a shot
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Flip
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13 May 2013 08:53 |
The only thing I can suggest is to get Arthur Jack's birth certificate, to get an address then try an address search.
Births Mar 1900 (>99%) Bates Arthur Jack Brentford 3a 82
The family, which confirms middle names are at 7 Bayham Road, Ealing in 1928. According to the ERs - Margaret, Arthur Jack, Edward Ernest, Robert Loudoun and Harriet Florence Loudoun.
I've tried school admissions, christenings and marriages but no luck in finding anything other than the 2 christenings already posted.
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Charlotte
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13 May 2013 21:42 |
Thanks to all for the new info. No question of getting certificate as relationship is distant. My tree on GR is about 6500 and my home tree up to over 27,000. When I finally put this on, maybe a relative of these people will contact me.
Many, many thanks
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