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5 May 2013 18:58 |
Hello, could someone take a look at the above census please. He will be with his wife, who was born in Ireland, and their son Thomas aged 1 born 1860 in Sutton Lancs. The reg district is Prescot, Lancashire. I have the 1881 census and his wife's name is down as Johnannah but I can't find their marriage which is why I would like someone to check the census to see if her name is Johnannah (probably misspelt). Thank you.
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5 May 2013 19:33 |
There is this marriage but after when Thomas was born in 1860
Marriage Record Name James Pickering Year of Marriage 1867 Quarter of Marriage Oct-Nov-Dec Registration District Prescot Registration County Lancashire Spouse's Surname Only available for records after 1912 Volume Number 8B Volume Page 899
James Pickering married one of the people below:
Joanna EDEN View Esther KNIGHT View William RIGBY View
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5 May 2013 19:46 |
Thanks Fred, I will have to investigate further.
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5 May 2013 19:57 |
If Joanna Eden wasn't married when Thomas was born, he *might* have been a John Thomas
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/cgi/birthind.cgi
EDEN John Thomas District Preston sub district Preston mmn - EDEN ref-PRES/121/6
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Vera
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5 May 2013 20:05 |
1871 Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where born Image PICKERING, James Head M 40 1831 Lancashire VIEW PICKERING, Johannah Wife F 42 1829 Ireland VIEW PICKERING, John Son M 16 1855 Lancashire VIEW PICKERING, James Son M 10 1861 Lancashire VIEW PICKERING, Hannah Daughter F 14 1857 Lancashire VIEW PICKERING, Thomas Son M 9 1862 Lancashire VIEW PICKERING, Dinah Daughter F 7 1864 Lancashire VIEW >>>>>>>HEADEN, Patrick A Wife's Son M 17 1854 Lancashire VIEW Piece: 3866 Folio: 123 Page: 13 Registration District: Prescot Civil Parish: Sutton Municipal Borough: St Helen Address: Grove's Row, Sutton, St Helen County: Lancashire
Been trying to find a marriage ??? No luck on the 1861
Regards Vera
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5 May 2013 20:05 |
Now this is interesting.
Look up the marriage on http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk - it is free and ought to be in your bookmarks if you have a lot of Lancs folk
Joanna Eden has an aka of Joanna Doyle. Was she married before?
DOYLE Joanna to PICKERING James EDEN Joanna to PICKERING James
Marriage took place at Prescot, St.Mary's
If they are your direct line, it would be good to buy the BC - EDIT - Sorry, the MC
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5 May 2013 20:12 |
Hello, I think she may have been married twice because of the Patrick Headen (must be Eden again misspelt) that is with them on the 1871 census and it says wife's son. Also Doyle sounds more Irish than Eden. thank you Fred, Detective and Vera. :-D
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5 May 2013 20:20 |
If you need help with Irish records, the following link might give you some other sites
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/951721 INFORMATION ONLY for those Searching for IRISH Gen
There is a Patrick Eden birth registered in St Helens in 1853, but no middle initial or mmn given on LancsBMD.
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5 May 2013 20:24 |
Was James married before thus the childrens birth dates. A marriage certificate would say if he was a widower
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5 May 2013 20:30 |
??? 1861 census transcription details for: Ravenhead Terrace, Sutton
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG09 Piece: 2753 Folio: 67 Page: 33 Reg. District: Prescot Sub District: 6 St Helens Parish: Sutton Enum. District: 18 Ecclesiastical District: St Marys City/Municipal Borough: Address: Ravenhead Terrace, Sutton County: Lancashire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born PICKERING, James Head Married M 39 1822 LabourerSt Helens, Lancashire PICKERING, Donna Wife Married F 30 1831 Wife St Helens, Lancashire ****** PICKERING, Jane Daughter Unmarried F 9 1852 St Helens, Lancashire PICKERING, John Son Unmarried M 7 1854 St Helens, Lancashire PICKERING, Hannah Daughter Unmarried F 4 1857 St Helens, Lancashire PICKERING, James Son Unmarried M 2 1859 St Helens, Lancashire
****looks more like Diana on original
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5 May 2013 20:34 |
Civil Registration event: Marriage
Print Close Name: PICKERING, James Registration district: Prescot County: Lancashire Year of registration: 1851 Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912 Volume no: 20 Page no: 756 MarriageFinder: James Pickering married one of the following people:
DOCKERTY, Mary FLOCKTON, Ann Elizabeth HOUGHTON, Dinah <<<<<<< ?? MCCULLY, Hannah NAYLOR, Enoch PEMBERTON, Richard PICKERING, Jonathan
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5 May 2013 20:39 |
Hi, I think I am getting totally lost now. I cant find James marriage on Lancashire BMD to Joanna, however in 1851 there is a marriage to Dinah Houghton which is probably Donna yet again misspelt, above. I have seen the birth for Patrick. Also, the daughter is called Dinah, also born Sutton. :-S
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5 May 2013 20:42 |
1851 census transcription details for: 16, Groves Colliery Row, Sutton
Print Close National Archive Reference: RG number: HO107 Piece: 2195 Folio: 190 Page: 57 Reg. District: Prescot Sub District: St Helens Parish: Sutton Enum. District: 2A Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: 16, Groves Colliery Row, Sutton County: Lancashire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born TICKLE, James Head Married M 46 1805 Coal Miner Sutton, Lancashire TICKLE, Hannah Wife Married F 46 1805 Tarbock, Lancashire PICKERIN, Denah Daughter Married F 21 1830 Sutton, Lancashire PICKERIN, James Son In Law Married M 22 1829 Coal Miner Huyton, Lancashire TICKLE, James Son Unmarried M 17 1834 Coal Miner ( Assistant )Eccleston, Lancashire TICKLE, Helen Daughter Unmarried F 15 1836 Eccleston, Lancashire TICKLE, Catherine Daughter F 12 1839 Scholar Eccleston, Lancashire TICKLE, Thomas Son M 8 1843 Scholar Eccleston, Lancashire TICKLE, William Son M 5 1846 ScholarSutton, Lancashire TICKLE, Elizabeth Daughter F 15 1836 Sutton, Lancashire HOUGHTON, Ellen Sister In Law Unmarried F 35 1816 Sutton, Lancashire HOUGHTON, Elizabeth Niece F 3 1848 Sutton, Lancashire
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Marian
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5 May 2013 20:59 |
Thank you Stuart :-D
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5 May 2013 21:04 |
To find the Pickering to Eden/Doyle marriage.
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/cgi/marrind.cgi?county=lancashire
Select year 1867 Region Prescot Surname Pickering Forename James
Leave the spousal details blank then 'Display' results.
Pickering has an * at the end. Click on the surname and you’ll get the result C&P as above.
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Marian
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5 May 2013 21:15 |
I am stupid, I was putting the wrong year in!
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5 May 2013 21:21 |
Hee, hee - we all do 'daft' things on occasions ;-)
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5 May 2013 23:44 |
I keep coming back to this scenario - St Helens, Sutton, Eccleston, Prescot all next door to one another
Name: Dinah Houghton Gender: Female Christening Date: 1829 Christening Place: ST. HELENS, LANCASHIRE, ENGLAND Birth Date: Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Hannah Houghton Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C13587-6 System Origin: England-VR GS Film number: 1469036 Reference ID: - 2:2HD4JSL
Then - Is Hannah the Anne in this marriage???
Marriage: 21 Oct 1833 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England James Tickle - (X), Collier, bachelor, Sutton Anne Houghton - (X), spinster, Sutton Witness: James Houghton, (X); Mary Anne Houghton, (X) Married by Banns by: John Edwards - Curate Register: Marriages 1830 - 1837, Page 86, Entry 256 Source: LDS Film 1657584 item 12
And then the family on the 1841 census, names etc match those of the 1851 posted earlier, although James age is different. Ellen Houghton on both - Hannah's sister by the looks of it.
1841 census transcription details for: Bold Street, Prescot, Eccleston
National Archive Reference: RG number: HO107 Piece: 516 Book/Folio: 8/17 Page: 26 Reg. District: Prescot Sub District: St Helen Parish: Prescot Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Bold Street, Prescot, Eccleston County: Lancashire Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born TICKLE, James M 53 1788 Lancashire **Labourer TICKLE, Hannah F 33 1808 Lancashire TICKLE, Dinah F 11 1830 Lancashire TICKLE, James M 7 1834 Lancashire TICKLE, Ellen F 4 1837 Lancashire TICKLE, Catherine F 2 1839 Lancashire HOUGHTON, Ellen F 25 1816 Lancashire
So the houghton's, Pickerings and Tickle's interconnected
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5 May 2013 23:55 |
Following up on the above post - This 1841 census shows a connection between Tickles and Doyles which could be how the Pickering to Joanna Eden/Doyle marriage came about.
It is too late to work it all out now, way past my bedtime, just wanted to make a note of it on here whilst I had the census etc in front of me. I'm sure the experts will tear it apart if necessary (or find the links!!) I can always delete...
1841 census transcription details for: Taylor's Row, Prescot, Sutton
National Archive Reference: RG number: HO107 Piece: 517 Book/Folio: 4/14 Page: 20 Reg. District: Prescot Sub District: St Helen Parish: Prescot Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Taylor's Row, Prescot, Sutton County: Lancashire Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born TICKLE, James M 40 1801 Lancashire TICKLE, Jane F 35 1806 Lancashire TICKLE, James M 17 1824 Lancashire TICKLE, John M 15 1826 Lancashire TICKLE, Margaret F 12 1829 Lancashire TICKLE, Mary F 10 1831 Lancashire TICKLE, William M 6 1835 Lancashire DOYLE, John M 35 1806 Ireland DOYLE, Margaret F 30 1811 Ireland
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Marian
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6 May 2013 23:04 |
Thank you Stuart, been away from my computer for a while. Just logged on to check and now I am logging off again. I think I need to write it down so I'm not having to go and down screen (haven't got a printer). Many thanks once again. :-D
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