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23 Apr 2013 18:16 |
Thank you yet again
At least Helen's son is with her in 1881. It also give me more as I didn't have Thomas married As you say Helens husband isn't with her but she still says married so he must be alive
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23 Apr 2013 16:07 |
1891 census transcription details for: Lion Well Wynd, Linlithgow
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG12 Piece: 668 Folio: 2 Page: 14 Reg. District: Linlithgow Sub District: Parish: Linlithgow Enum. District: 2 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Lion Well Wynd, Linlithgow County: Linlithgowshire (West Lothian) Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born LIDDLE, Thomas Head Widower M 42 1849 Shoemaker Tartraven, West Lothian LIDDLE, James Son M 12 1879 Scholar Linlithgow, West Lothian MURDOCH, Hellen Sister Married F 47 1844 Tartraven, West Lothian
1901 census transcription details for: East U F Church (Caretaker's House), Linlithgow
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG13 Piece: 668 Folio: 1 Page: 21 Reg. District: Linlithgow Sub District: Parish: Linlithgow Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: Linlithgow City/Municipal Borough: Address: East U F Church (Caretaker's House), Linlithgow County: Linlithgowshire (West Lothian) Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born LIDDLE, Thomas Head Widower M 52 1849 Shoemaker (Benchaman) Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire LIDDLE, James Son Single M 22 1879 Clerk (Commercial) Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire MURDOCH, Helen Sister Married F 57 1844 Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire
1911 census not available on FMP - you will need Scotlands People. Looks as though James the husband is never at home!!
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23 Apr 2013 15:58 |
Looks like her with brother Thomas, wonder where hubby is? 1881 census transcription details for: 264, High Street, Linlithgow
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG11 Piece: 668 Folio: 5 Page: 4 Reg. District: Linlithgow Sub District: Parish: Linlithgow Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: 264, High Street, Linlithgow County: Linlithgowshire (West Lothian) Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born LIDDLE, Thomas Head Widower M 32 1849 Shoemaker Linlithgow, Linlithgow LIDDLE, James Son M 2 1879 Linlithgow, Linlithgow MURDOCH, Helen Sister Married F 36 1845 Housekeeper Linlithgow, Linlithgow MURDOCH, James L Nephew M 10 1871 Scholar Linlithgow, Linlithgow
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23 Apr 2013 14:36 |
could I have a look up please for Ellen(Helen) Murdock born 1844 Linlithgow husband James in the 1881 census Please
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23 Apr 2013 11:41 |
Yes we have come to that conclusion also found out the grandsons in the 1871 census were illegitimate sons of Elizabeth-Archibald Porteous Liddle and Helen, had James Murdock Liddle, I think Helen married the father james Murdock in 1871 not got the certificate yet
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22 Apr 2013 22:30 |
Jessie is commonly used for Janet In Scotland. Have a google.
Jessie is used synonymously for Janet for which it is also a pet name. It is, however, a given name in its own right. The Gaelic equivalent is Teasag.
There was a daughter Janet b 1856/7 ish. Margaret may well have been brought up thinking her grandparents were her parents.
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22 Apr 2013 19:13 |
Just in case you look at this again Stuart Margaret Liddle born 1877 Linlithgow illegitimate mother Jessie Liddle
Not sure now Elizabeth /Helen ??
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22 Apr 2013 18:10 |
On the 1851 census, MArgaret is aged 26. Her age varies 1-2 years over the census. But ? a little young for an 11 year old daughter.
Here's the 1841 census 1841 census transcription details for: High Street, Linlithgow
National Archive Reference: RG number: Piece: 668 Book/Folio: 5 Page: 3 Reg. District: Sub District: Parish: Linlithgow Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: High Street, Linlithgow County: Linlithgowshire (West Lothian) Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born LIDDLE, James M 25 1816 Shoe M Linlithgowshire (West Lothian) LIDDLE, Elisabeth F 25 1816 Scotland CAMPBELL, Elisabeth F 1 1840 Linlithgowshire (West Lothian) DRABBLE, Thomas M 9 1832 Linlithgowshire (West Lothian) HUTTON, James M 15 1826 Labourer Scotland
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22 Apr 2013 18:03 |
sorted the missing children James was married twice with children to his first wife Margaret is his second wife
I think You have done as much as can be done possibly Maggie was brought up by her grandparents all her life and thought of them as her parents and that is why it's on the marriage certificate??
Thank you for your time Sylvia
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22 Apr 2013 17:54 |
1851 census transcription details for: Wester Tertreven, Wester Tertreven, Linlithgow
National Archive Reference: RG number: Piece: 668 Folio: 11 Page: 20 Reg. District: Sub District: Parish: Linlithgow Enum. District: 1 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Wester Tertreven, Wester Tertreven, Linlithgow County: Linlithgowshire (West Lothian) Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born LIDDLE, James Head Married M 36 1815 Shoemaker Linlithgow, Linlithgow LIDDLE, Margreat Wife Married F 26 1825 Mid Calder, Edinburgh LIDDLE, Elisebeth Daughter F 11 1840 Scholar Linlithgow, Linlithgow LIDDLE, Helen Daughter F 7 1844 Scholar Linlithgow, Linlithgow LIDDLE, James Son M 5 1846 At Home Linlithgow, Linlithgow LIDDLE, Thomas Son M 2 1849 At Home Linlithgow, Linlithgow
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22 Apr 2013 17:49 |
Thank you Stuart
I'm going to have to spend more time and money on this as you've pointed out more children and grandchildren
Thank you
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22 Apr 2013 17:49 |
1861 census transcription details for: Tartraven Cotters House, Linlithgow
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG09 Piece: 668 Folio: 2 Page: 16 Reg. District: Saint Michael Sub District: Parish: Linlithgow Enum. District: 3 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Tartraven Cotters House, Linlithgow County: Linlithgowshire (West Lothian) Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born LIDDLE, James Head Married M 46 1815 ShoemakerParish, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian) LIDDLE, Margaret Wife Married F 38 1823 Shoemakers Wife Mid Calder Parish LIDDLE, James Son Unmarried M 15 1846 Apprentice ShoemakerParish, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian) LIDDLE, Thomas Son M 13 1848 Scholar Parish, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian) LIDDLE, Walter Son M 9 1852 Scholar Parish, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian) LIDDLE, Margaret Daughter F 6 1855 Scholar Parish, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian) LIDDLE, Janet Daughter F 4 1857 Parish, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian) LIDLE, Robert Son M 2 1859 Parish, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian) LIDDLE, Maron Daughter F 0 (9 MONTHS) 1861 Parish, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian)
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22 Apr 2013 17:45 |
More children than you have of the "old" couple 1871 census transcription details for: 310, High Street, Linlithgow
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG10 Piece: 668 Folio: 4 Page: 19 Reg. District: Linlithgow Sub District: Parish: Linlithgow Enum. District: 5 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: 310, High Street, Linlithgow County: Linlithgowshire (West Lothian) Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born LIDDLE, James Head Married M 56 1815 Shoe Maker Linlithgowshire (West Lothian) LIDDLE, Margaret Wife Married F 46 1825 Est Calder, Midlothian LIDDLE, Helen Daughter Unmarried F 26 1845 Domestic Servant Linlithgowshire (West Lothian) LIDDLE, James Son Unmarried M 24 1847 Shoe Maker Linlithgowshire (West Lothian) LIDDLE, Thomas Son Unmarried M 22 1849 Shoe Maker Linlithgowshire (West Lothian) LIDDLE, Janet Daughter Unmarried F 15 1856 Domestic Servant Linlithgowshire (West Lothian) LIDDLE, Robt Son M 13 1858 Shoe Maker Linlithgowshire (West Lothian) LIDDLE, Marion Daughter F 10 1861 Scholar Linlithgowshire (West Lothian) LIDDLE, John Son M 7 1864 Scholar Linlithgowshire (West Lothian) LIDDLE, A P Grand Son M 7 1864 Scholar Linlithgowshire (West Lothian) LIDDLE, William Son M 4 1867 Linlithgowshire (West Lothian) LIDDLE, James M Grand Son M 0 1871 Linlithgowshire (West Lothian)
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22 Apr 2013 17:36 |
That is the family BUT granddaughter?? going off the dates I thought it could be granddaughter but on the marriage it says father James Liddle mother Margaret Liddle nee Kidd which is the couple in 1891
I think I'm going to find who's daughter Maggie is
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22 Apr 2013 17:30 |
And here in 1881 again as grand daughter
1881 census transcription details for: 2, Dog Well Wynd, Linlithgow
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG11 Piece: 668 Folio: 2 Page: 3 Reg. District: Linlithgow Sub District: Parish: Linlithgow Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: 2, Dog Well Wynd, Linlithgow County: Linlithgowshire (West Lothian) Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born LIDDLE, James Head Married M 67 1814 Shoemaker Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire LIDDLE, Margaret Wife Married F 57 1824 Millcalder, Edinburghshire LIDDLE, Robert Son Unmarried M 23 1858 Boot And Shoe Rivetter Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire LIDDLE, John Son Unmarried M 17 1864 Cooper Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire LIDDLE, William Son Unmarried M 15 1866 Grocer (Apprentice) Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire LIDDLE, Maggie Granddaughter F 3 1878 Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire
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22 Apr 2013 17:28 |
?? Maggie 1891 - grandaughter to a James and MArgaret Liddle 1891 census transcription details for: Union Road, Linlithgow
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG12 Piece: 668 Folio: 2 Page: 2 Reg. District: Linlithgow Sub District: Parish: Linlithgow Enum. District: 2 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Union Road, Linlithgow County: Linlithgowshire (West Lothian) Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born LIDDLE, James Head Married M 76 1815 Shoemaker Linlithgow, West Lothian LIDDLE, Margaret Wife Married F 66 1825 Bellsquarry, Midlothian LIDDLE, William Son Unmarried M 24 1867 Shoe Riviter Linlithgow, West Lothian LIDDLE, Maggie Granddaughter Unmarried F 14 1877 General Servant Domestic Linlithgow, West Lothian
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22 Apr 2013 17:25 |
That looks right the address on the certificate was Dogwell Wynd I think?
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22 Apr 2013 17:23 |
For reference/starting point 1901 census transcription details for: 3, Lion Well Wynd, Linlithgow
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG13 Piece: 668 Folio: 2 Page: 10 Reg. District: Linlithgow Sub District: Parish: Linlithgow Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: Linlithgow City/Municipal Borough: Address: 3, Lion Well Wynd, Linlithgow County: Linlithgowshire (West Lothian) Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born MCALPINE, Joseph Head Married M 33 1868 General Labourer Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire MCALPINE, Maggie Wife Married F 24 1877 Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire MCALPINE, Thomas Son M 0 (6 MONTHS) 1901 Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire BENNIE, James Lodger Single M 40 1861 Joiner Linlithgow, Linlithgowshire
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22 Apr 2013 17:16 |
Help needed please my ancestry has run out I've just got a marriage off scotlandspeople and it doesn't match with dates I have
I have James Liddle b 1814 married Margaret Kidd b 1824 West Lothian Scotland The children I have for them are Walter 1851, Margaret 1855,Janet 1857, Robert 1859, Marion 1860, John 1863, William 1866
The marriage I've got is for Maggie (not Margaret ) & Joseph McAlpine they married in 1898 Joseph was 29yrs and Maggie was 21yrs Maggie parents are right but the marriage puts her birth at 1877 ??
Could some kind person look at the censuses to see where I've gone wrong please
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