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19 Apr 2013 10:41 |
( I have moved this from Geneology chat board I put it on the wrong board by mistake.
Please can someone check ths i nformation for me.
Can I also have the relationships between these individuals.
Is Sarah a widow? I Have just received a marriage cert dated 21/10/1941 for one of their daughters Elizabeth and it does not give the fathers name. ? was she illegitimate or has her father died.
These look like likely candidates for Eliza Sheppey's parents: John Sheppey married Sarah Bridgwater 6/11/1816 at North and Middle Littleton
The John on the 1841 is only 25 and as Elizabeth was full age in 1841 this John cannot be her father.
1841 census: North Littleton
John Sheppey, 25, Ag. Lab Sarah, 45 Elisha, 20 Elijah, 15 Eli, 15 John, 15 Emily, 13 Jane, 11 George, 7 All born in the County. ( Kathleen kindly provided me with this information back in 2006)
Thank you for your help
Jane
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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19 Apr 2013 10:49 |
Hi Jane,
The 1841 census is not very informative I am afraid. It dos'nt tell you if people were widowed liked later census. It only tells you if they were born in the county or not also.
And the ages were rounded up or down to the nearest five years.
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19 Apr 2013 10:52 |
Transcribed as Shippey on FMP - original could be either. However the age of John is given as 45 as per original. Relationships are not given on the 1841 census (but it does look like a family with John as Sarah as a couple)
1841 census transcription details for: North Littleton, North & Middle Littleton, Middle Littleton
National Archive Reference: RG number: HO107 Piece: 1191 Book/Folio: 10/7 Page: 9 Reg. District: Evesham Union Sub District: Broadway Parish: North & Middle Littleton Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: North Littleton, North & Middle Littleton, Middle Littleton County: Worcestershire Name Relation Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born SHIPPEY, John M 45 1796 Worcestershire SHIPPEY, Sarah F 45 1796 Worcestershire SHIPPEY, Elisha M 20 1821 Worcestershire SHIPPEY, Elijah M 15 1826 Worcestershire SHIPPEY, Eli M 15 1826 Worcestershire SHIPPEY, John M 15 1826 Worcestershire SHIPPEY, Emily F 13 1828 Worcestershire SHIPPEY, Jane F 11 1830 Worcestershire SHIPPEY, George M 7 1834 Worcestershire
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19 Apr 2013 10:56 |
DecETive 1841 England Census about John Sheppes
John Sheppes [John Sheppey] Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Gender: Male Where born: Worcestershire, England Civil parish: North Littleton
Name Age John Sheppes 45 Sarah Sheppes 45 Elisha Sheppes 20 Elizah Sheppes 15 Eli Sheppes 15 John Sheppes 15 Emily Sheppes 13 Jane Sheppes 11 George Sheppes 7
Hundred: Blackenhurst (Upper Division) County/Island: Worcestershire Country: England
Registration district: Evesham Sub-registration district: Broadway
The 1841 doesn't give relationships or marital status, only occupation and whether born in county. The ages for adults are 'rounded' upwards (I think) to the nearest '5'.
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19 Apr 2013 10:57 |
This looks like them in 1851 where John and Sarah are described as husband and wife. 1851 census transcription details for: North Littleton, North Littleton
National Archive Reference: RG number: HO107 Piece: 2044 Folio: 303 Page: 12 Reg. District: Evesham Sub District: Broadway Parish: North Littleton Enum. District: 3 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: North Littleton, North Littleton County: Worcestershire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born SHEPPEY, John Head Married M 57 1794 Ag LabNorth Littleton, Worcestershire SHEPPEY, Sarah Wife Married F 57 1794 North Littleton, Worcestershire SHEPPEY, Eli Son Unmarried M 27 1824 Ag Lab North Littleton, Worcestershire WILLIS, Sarah Grand Daughter Unmarried F 4 1847 Smethwick, Staffordshire
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Jane
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19 Apr 2013 11:00 |
Thanks Stuart. and Mel Fairy Godmother
Just to let you know I am trying to move everything from the other thread so that I can delete it and just have this one going.
Jane
Sorry for being a pest.
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Jane
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19 Apr 2013 11:02 |
Maddie 1841 did not give relationships
SHIPPEY, John M 45 1796 Worcestershire VIEW SHIPPEY, Sarah F 45 1796 Worcestershire VIEW SHIPPEY, Elisha M 20 1821 Worcestershire VIEW SHIPPEY, Elijah M 15 1826 Worcestershire VIEW SHIPPEY, Eli M 15 1826 Worcestershire VIEW SHIPPEY, John M 15 1826 Worcestershire VIEW SHIPPEY, Emily F 13 1828 Worcestershire VIEW SHIPPEY, Jane F 11 1830 Worcestershire VIEW SHIPPEY, George M 7 1834 Worcestershire VIEW
Piece: 1191
Book/Folio: 10/7
Page: 9
Registration District: Evesham Union
Civil Parish: North & Middle Littleton
Municipal Borough:
Address: North Littleton, North & Middle Littleton, Middle Littleton
County: Worcestershire
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Jane
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19 Apr 2013 11:03 |
Jane
Thanks everyone for your kind help. So if John was a live why did they not enter his name on the marriage cert. Or have I got the wrong family.
Can I copy this info to the right thread Please on Find ancestors board. I would like to limit the amount of confussion I have caused. I Put this on Geneology chat by mistake. I will then delete this one.
Jane
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19 Apr 2013 11:04 |
DetEcTive
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about John Sheppey John Sheppey Estimated Birth Year: abt 1793 Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1882 Age at Death: 89 Registration district: Evesham Inferred County: Worcestershire Volume: 6c Page: 191
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about John Sheppy John Sheppy Probate Date: 3 Jul 1882 Death Date: 4 Apr 1882 Death Place: Worcester, Worcestershire, England Registry: Worcester
Effects £327 15s 9d
Late of North Littleton, Yeoman. Probate granted to Alfred Henry Hudson of the Abbey Pershore in the said County, Gentleman, sole Executor
Download form PA1 S to send for a copy which may name your John http://hmctscourtfinder.justice.gov.uk/HMCTS/GetForm.do?court_forms_id=739
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19 Apr 2013 11:05 |
Patin Cyprus parents: John Sheppey, Sarah
Name Eliza Sheppey Gender Female Christening Date18 Jan 1818 Christening Place NORTH AND MIDDLE LITTLETON,WORCESTER,ENGLAND Birth Date Birthplace Death Date Name Note Race Father's Name John Sheppey Father's Birthplace Father's Age Mother's Name Sarah Mother's Birth place Mother's Age Indexing Project
My gt gt grandparents separated. He stated he was a widower on his census. She said she was married on hers.
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19 Apr 2013 11:08 |
I have now copied everything from the old thread and deleted it to stop any more confussion.Now there is only this one going.
Sorry
Jane
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19 Apr 2013 11:09 |
Thank you all very much for your help I have to go to work now but will look back in when I get home tonight.
All the best
Jane
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19 Apr 2013 11:10 |
1861 England Census about John Sheppey
Name: John Sheppey Age: 67 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1794 Relation:Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Sheppey Gender: Male Where born: South Littleton, Worcestershire, England
Civil parish: North and Middle Littleton County/Island: Worcestershire Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Registration district: Evesham Sub-registration district:Broadway ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household schedule number:73 Piece:2103 Folio:59 Page Number:13 Household Members: Name Age John Sheppey67 Sarah Sheppey 67 George Sheppey 27 Emma E Sheppey31 Elijah Sheppey 10 Months
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Jane
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19 Apr 2013 11:18 |
Thank you Mel Fairy Godmother. I will make a note of all this information ready to add when I am 100% sure I have the correct family.
Thanks again
Jane
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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19 Apr 2013 11:23 |
Having trouble with copy and pasteing on here this morning so have to backspace everything otherwise it comes out in a great long line unreadable.
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+++DetEcTive+++
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19 Apr 2013 11:27 |
Picking up from your first post
*John Sheppey, 25*
That is deffinately wrong, and is either a typo or wrongly transcribed. It is 45 on the image.
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19 Apr 2013 11:33 |
Thanks DetEcTive. It does seem that it was a typo. These things happen. I have had a quick look at that form you sent me and I think I will send for it and see what happens. I will take a close look tonight to see what I have to do.
All the best
Jane.
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