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Wendy
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16 Apr 2013 13:57 |
Yes Astra I will look at that one.Thanks Chris,just checked the Charlotte Street address.It it's clearly not my family.I should have been more wary of Camden. If this is Diana's death in 1863 then Richard didn't waste any time in marrying again the same year.
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16 Apr 2013 13:49 |
(nods head here with find of Astra)
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16 Apr 2013 13:42 |
As they are in Mile End district in 1861 then this is a more likely death
Deaths Mar 1863 (>99%) BURROWS Dinah Mile End 1c 419
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16 Apr 2013 13:34 |
(added above details for Diana Martin, think the 1857 Death Cert., posted earlier, would be a good idea)
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Wendy
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16 Apr 2013 13:30 |
Whoops !!!! Should have said Diana Martin Langman
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16 Apr 2013 12:51 |
Not seeing that 1862 Death either...
(this one below was Buried 7/4/62, Camden, age 50)
Deaths Jun 1862 (>99%) ------------------------------------------------- Martin Diana Marylebone 1a 271
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Name: Diana Martin Record Type: Burial Estimated Death Date: abt 1862 Burial Date: 7 Apr 1862 Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812 Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras St James Borough: Camden Register Type: Bishop's Transcript (abode as, 12, Charlotte Street, Portland Place, Marylebone)
1861 MARTIN, Richards Head Married M 50 1811 Plumber And Painter Marylebone, Middlesex MARTIN, Diana Wife Married F 49 1812 St Pancras, Middlesex MARTIN, William Son Unmarried M 18 1843 Marylebone, Middlesex MARTIN, George W Son M 14 1847 Marylebone, Middlesex MARTIN, Richard E Son M 11 1850 Marylebone, Middlesex Piece: 70 Folio: 13 Page: 32 Registration District: Marylebone Civil Parish: Marylebone Municipal Borough: Address: 12, Charlotte Street, Marylebone County: London
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Wendy
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16 Apr 2013 12:29 |
Hi I have Diana's death as 1862,buried 7/04/1862 in Camden. It is possible that the Jane in 1861 was 22 rather than twelve or as argyllgran says the mistake could be on the 1851 census. If I had the 1841 census it would show if there even was a daughter Jane born before 1841. I need to do lots more work.
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16 Apr 2013 12:18 |
And the Diana situation doesn't make sense, either. If she died in 1857 (and it's the only death of a Diana Burrows which comes up on FreeBMD in a likely place), what's she doing on the 1861 census?
It certainly seems to be the correct Richard on the 1861 record.
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ArgyllGran
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16 Apr 2013 11:36 |
The Jane situation doesn't make sense.
If there were two Janes, the first one would have had to die in 1851 or later, but the supposed second one was born before that, in 1848. And where is she in 1851?
It looks as though the age given in 1851 should have been 2, although in the image it clearly says 12.
These are the only Jane Burrows born in Middlesex 1837-40 (per FreeBMD):
Births Mar 1838 (>99%) Burrows Jane Staines 3 230 Births Sep 1839 (>99%) Burrows Jane Clerkenwell 3 63
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16 Apr 2013 11:04 |
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Diana Martin Langman Name: Diana Martin Langman Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 19 Jun 1814 Father's Name: Richard Langman Mother's Name: Susannah Langman Parish or Poor Law Union: Shadwell, St Paul Borough: Tower Hamlets Register Type: Parish Registers
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Wendy
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16 Apr 2013 11:02 |
I am so so sorry.Having posted I had to deal with a crisis in the kitchen. Thank you all.I did say 1841 only because the family details are confusing.Richard and his second wife,Elizabeth, both had children from first marriages. The 1871 census names all the children as Burrows but the first three were Bartons. Reason I needed 1841 census. 1851 shows Richard and Diana with children Sarah Jane aged 16 years and Jane aged 12 years, 1861 census shows them with Jane aged 12 years. Did the first Jane die after 1851 ?if not she would have been 22 rather than 12 in 1861. Sarah Jane was baptised 9 years after birth. The Parish Record says that the Jane baptised in 1848 was born in 1848.I had at first thought that this was the Jane born c1839 (1851 census).
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ArgyllGran
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16 Apr 2013 11:00 |
Hmmm - could be, Vicci, but the age is a bit out, and where's his wife?
This (below) is the only person in 1841 of right name and POB (age a couple of years out) per Ancestry, but in the image she's with a William Burrows, born c1811, so doesn't look like her:
1841 England Census about Dima Burrows Name: Dima Burrows [Diana Burrows] Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816 Gender: Female Where born: Middlesex, England Civil parish: St Clement Danes Hundred: Westminster County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: View image Registration district: Strand Sub-registration district: St Clement Danes Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 731 Book: 4 Folio: 19 Page Number: 31 Household Members: Name Age Dima Burrows 25
[EDIT: Not her; this one is on later censuses, married to William Burrows]
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16 Apr 2013 09:08 |
could be RIchard
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Name: Richard Burrows Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 Gender: Male Civil parish: St Andrew Holborn (Above The Bars) Hundred: Ossulstone (Holborn Division) County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: View image Registration district: Holborn Sub-registration district: St Andrew Western Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 670 Book: 11 Folio: 13 Page Number: 18
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16 Apr 2013 08:53 |
1861 BURROWS, Richard Head Married M 46 1815 Tailor England BURROWS, Diana Wife Married F 47 1814 N K BURROWS, Jane Daughter F 12 1849 N K Piece: 291 Folio: 122 Page: 20 Registration District: Mile End Old Town Civil Parish: Municipal Borough: Address: 4, Jubilee Place County: London
(is this another, if Diana Death 1857)
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edits (probably another, looking at age of Jane)
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ArgyllGran
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15 Apr 2013 22:42 |
But still no sign of Richard or Diana in 1841!
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ArgyllGran
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15 Apr 2013 22:40 |
Re the two Sarah Jane baptisms posted by Chris:
???? Deaths Mar 1861 (>99%) BURROWS Sarah Jane Stepney 1c 412
Is the second Sarah Jane the Sarah Ann listed in 1871?
Birth of Jane Catherine who appears on 1871 census: Births Dec 1869 (>99%) BURROWS Jane Catherine Stepney 1c 463
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MargaretM
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15 Apr 2013 20:29 |
The birthdate for Jane Burrows who was baptised 1848 was 25 Aug. 1848. No birthdate given for Sarah Jane.
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15 Apr 2013 18:33 |
Baptism Day:25 Month:8 Year:1844 Forename:Sarah Othernames:Jane Surname:Burrows Fathers forenames:Richard Fathers occupation:Tailor Mothers forenames:Diana Address:Limehouse Location of church:Stepney Parish:St Dunstan Church address:High Street Entry No:227 Source Ref:X024/020
Baptism Day:1 Month:5 Year:1864 Forename:Sarah Othernames:Jane Surname:Burrows Fathers forenames:Richard Fathers occupation:Tailor Mothers forenames:Elizabeth Birth date:08 April 1864 Address:6 Langdale St Location of church:Stepney Parish:St George In The East Church address:Cannon Street Road Entry No:1823 Source Ref:X024/135 Record source:Docklands Ancestors
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(putting Stepney in keywords box (no other details) 1841, first 6 pages, might need checking!)
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Gee
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15 Apr 2013 17:58 |
Some of the censuses are missing from Middlesex
668 Middlesex Parish: St Luke Townships: West Finsbury Golden-Lane Old Street Whitecross-Street 680 Middlesex Parish: Paddington 690 Middlesex Parish: Kensington (part) Townships: Brompton Kensall Green (part)
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ArgyllGran
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15 Apr 2013 17:40 |
Deaths Dec 1857 (>99%) Burrows Diana Stepney 1c 361
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