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MarieCeleste
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8 Apr 2013 19:10 |
pm from Marina (I think timed before the above post)
"Hello MarieCeleste, Thank you for your interest. We know my Grandfather had an Uncle called Donald who was the son of James and Margaret. A diary was passed down the family as described in my posting. The family are from Caithness and I believe Mybster as Donald writes fondly of Mybster in his diary. I believe he was born in about 1854. Regards, Marina"
So it all seems to fit.
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Marina
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8 Apr 2013 16:09 |
Thank you to everyone who has helped me in my search for info about Donald. I have been researching my family but Donald did not really feature as he was not directly connected. However, a family 'heirloom' in the form of a diary written by Donald is being transcribed by a cousin. In this diary he describes his voyage to Australia on SS Northumberland which sailed from Plymouth in October 1876 and arrived in Melbourne in November. He posted the diary home accompanied by a letter which describes how he saw the body of Ned Kelly and actually acquired a hair from the tail of Kelly's horse. There has been interest from Australia in respect of the letter. I am trying to pull together the info that proves, as we have been told that he wa our Grandpa's uncle. The family originated in Caithness and Watten, Mybster, Halkirk, Latheron Wheel, etc all feature heavily in my research. What all of you have done for me today has been valuable beyond measure and on behalf on my family I thank you. :-)
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Cynthia
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8 Apr 2013 14:01 |
Friendly message sent on how to return to thread. :-)
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Helen
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7 Apr 2013 18:21 |
If the death info from the Sidney Morning Herald proves correct …
Address: Mybster (in place of Mylater)
A maybe ?
Donald Sutherland born c.1852 in Halkirk, Caithness. Son of James Sutherland and Margaret (Manson ?) James Sutherland is a farmer / Inn-keeper at Mybster, Watten through various census. As noted in the newspaper, this Donald appears to be the third son of this Sutherland family … Alexander .. David .. Donald.
1851 Scotland Census about James Sutherland Name: James Sutherland Age: 34 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817 Relationship: Head Spouse's Name: Margt Sutherland Gender: Male Where born: Tormsdale, caith Parish Number: 37 Civil parish: Halkirk County: Caithness Address: Mybster Occupation: Farm Servt ED: 6 Page: 16 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 42 Line: 5 Roll: CSSCT1851_7 Household Members: Name Age James Sutherland 34 Margt Sutherland 32 Alexr Sutherland 6 David Sutherland 3
1861 Scotland Census about James Sutherland Name: James Sutherland Age: 42 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Margaret Sutherland Gender: Male Where born: Halkirk, Caithness Registration number: 37 Registration district: Mybster and Dale Civil parish: Halkirk County: Caithness Address: Mybster Occupation: Farmer Of 20 Acres 2 Labourer ED: 6 Household schedule number: 40 Line: 1 Roll: CSSCT1861_5 Household Members: Name Age James Sutherland 42 Margaret Sutherland 41 David Sutherland 13 Donald Sutherland 9 William Sutherland 6 Christina Sutherland 3 David Polson 16 Helen Sutherland 18
1871 Scotland Census about James Sutherland Name: James Sutherland Age: 54 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Margaret Sutherland Gender: Male Where born: Halkirk, Caithness Registration number: 37 Registration district: Mybster and Dale Civil parish: Halkirk County: Caithness Address: Mybster Inn Occupation: Innkeeper & Far Of 80 Acres 2 Labourer's 1 Boy ED: 6 Household schedule number: 10 Line: 1 Roll: CSSCT1871_7 Household Members: Name Age James Sutherland 54 Margaret Sutherland 52 Christina Sutherland 13 Benjamina Miller 37 Mary Mcdonald 16
1871 Scotland Census about Donald Sutherland ?? Name: Donald Sutherland Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853 Relationship: Boarder Gender: Male Where born: Halkirk, Caithness Registration number: 43/2 Registration district: Wick Burgh Civil parish: Wick Town: Pulteneytown County: Caithness Address: 10 Brown Place Occupation: Apprentice Clerk ED: 8 Household schedule number: 132 Line: 13 Roll: CSSCT1871_8 Household Members: Name Age George Swanson 47 Elizabeth Swanson 35 George Robert Swanson 19 Fanny Elizabeth Swanson 4 Donald Swanson 2 Donald Sutherland 18
1881 Scotland Census about James Sutherland Name: James Sutherland Age: 65 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816 Relationship: Head Gender: Male Where born: Halkirk, Caithness Registration number: 37 Registration district: Halkirk Civil parish: Halkirk County: Caithness Address: Mybster Inn Occupation: Far Of 80 Acr, 60 Ar, Emp 1 M, 1 Girl 1 Boy ED: 6 Household schedule number: 10 Line: 15 Roll: cssct1881a_103234 Household Members: Name Age James Sutherland 65
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MarieCeleste
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7 Apr 2013 12:36 |
It would fit Patchem.
It's odd that the 1888 death didn't mention a wife but seems the same couple going by the address on each death notice.
There's this marriage:
Australia Marriage Index, 1788-1950
Name: Donald G Sutherland Spouse Name: Lucy B Gordon Marriage Date: 1884 Marriage Place: New South Wales Registration Place: Sydney, New South Wales Registration Year: 1884 Registration number: 1235
But as said above could do with feedback from Marina in case the wrong tree is being barked up!
Would help to know who her grandfather was and what relative Donald Gray is believed to be.
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patchem
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7 Apr 2013 12:27 |
If Lucy died at 74 in 1918 then born 1844, so Donald probably 1840ish?
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MarieCeleste
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7 Apr 2013 12:25 |
This is the full 1881 for what Patchem posted above:
SUTHERLAND, Alexander Head Married M 37 1844 Farmer Wick, Caithnessshire SUTHERLAND, Helen Wife Married F 31 1850 Halkirk, Caithnessshire SUTHERLAND, Margret Daughter F 11 1870 Scholar Thurso, Caithnessshire SUTHERLAND, Elizabeth Daughter F 10 1871 Scholar Thurso, Caithnessshire SUTHERLAND, Donald G Son M 7 1874 Scholar Thurso, Caithnessshire SUTHERLAND, David G Son M 5 1876 Thurso, Caithnessshire SUTHERLAND, Isabella G Daughter F 3 1878 Thurso, Caithnessshire SUTHERLAND, Alexander Son M 1 1880 Thurso, Caithnessshire ROSS, Philip Servant Unmarried M 19 1862 Farm Serv Wick, Caithnessshire MCBEATH, Robert Servant Unmarried M 17 1864 Farm Serv Thurso, Caithnessshire COOPER, Margret Servant Unmarried F 23 1858 Serv (Domestic) Thurso, Caithnessshire GUNN, Margret Servant Unmarried F 18 1863 Serv (Domestic) Thurso, Caithnessshire
Piece: 41 Folio: 9 Page: 5 Registration District: Thurso Civil Parish: Thurso
Address: Geise House, Thurso County: Caithnessshire
Doesn't seem likely if he travelled to Australia in 1876.
Feedback needed from Marina!
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MarieCeleste
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7 Apr 2013 12:20 |
The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954) Thursday 21 February 1918
SUTHERLAND -February 20, 1918, at Birdwell, Lugar Street, Waverley, Lucy Neathway, relict of the late Donald Gray Sutherland, aged 74 vears.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/15781385?searchTerm=%22donald%20gray%20sutherland%22&searchLimits=
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patchem
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7 Apr 2013 12:15 |
Following on from MC ? 1881 Scotland Census : Donald G Sutherland Age: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874 Relationship: Son Gender: Male Where born: Thurso, Caithness Shire Registration number: 41 Registration district: Thurso Civil parish: Thurso County: Caithness Address: Geise House Occupation: Scholar ED: 9 Household schedule number: 13 Line: 5 Roll: cssct1881a_103236 Donald G Sutherland 7 Source Citation: Parish: Thurso; ED: 9; Page: 5; Line: 5; Roll: cssct1881a_103236.
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MarieCeleste
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7 Apr 2013 12:14 |
Does the father's name on this ring any bells?
The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954) Thursday 19 July 1888
SUTHERLAND.- On July l7 1888,at his residence, Lugar Street, Waverley. Donald Gray Sutherland, third son of tho late James Sutherland, Esq, of Mylater, Watten, Caithnesshire, Scotland, N.B
From Trove http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13691388?searchTerm=%22donald%20gray%20sutherland%22&searchLimits= .......................................................................................................................
ADDED:
Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Donald G Sutherland Death Date: 1888 Death Place: New South Wales Father's Name: James Mother's Name: Margaret Registration Year: 1888 Registration Place: Waverley, New South Wales Registration number: 5102
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patchem
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7 Apr 2013 12:14 |
Do you know if he was from England or Scotland? Thank-you
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MarieCeleste
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7 Apr 2013 12:11 |
I know it's completely the wrong continent and wrong age, but thought worth posting in case there's a connection:
British Columbia, Canada, Death Index, 1872-1990
Name: Donald Gray Sutherland Gender: Male Birth Year: abt 1874 Death Age: 68 Death Date: 22 Jul 1942 Death Location: Vancouver Registration number: 1942-09-609750 BCA Number: B13175 GSU Number: 1953635
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MarieCeleste
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7 Apr 2013 12:08 |
Hi Marina, how did you make the connection to your grandfather? Where were the family from?
(Just looking for clues to identify him)
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Marina
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7 Apr 2013 12:07 |
I am searching for Donald as I believe he was a relative of my grandfather. I can find no trace of him on any site. I have no clues as to his DOB but he sailed to Australia on the Northumberland in 1876 and was there when Ned Kelly was killed. He wrote a diary about his journey and a letter about Ned Kelly. He was probably a young man when he sailed from Plymouth to Melbourne. Hope someone can help. Regards, Marina
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