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24 Mar 2013 17:42 |
MarieCeleste Thank you for the 1901. I would say that is definitely my Harry,but once again his birth is a bit screwy. The only time it is almost right is when he died, even then it is a few years out. I wonder whether he tried to make his birth year closer to his wife's?
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MarieCeleste
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24 Mar 2013 17:24 |
Here's the FindMyPast version of the 1901 showing detail:
HUMPHRAY, Harry S Head Married M 32 1869 Brass Finisher Hampstead HUMPHRAY, Bertha M Wife Married F 34 1867 Cheltenham, Gloucestershire HUMPHRAY, Leslie H Son M 4 1897 Beckenham, Kent SAVAGE, Ernest Boarder Single M 19 1882 Ironmongers Carman London
Piece: 649 Folio: 131 Page: 35 Registration District: Croydon Civil Parish: Croydon
Address: 5, Carberry Road, Croydon County: Surrey
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24 Mar 2013 15:17 |
MarieCeleste That's odd.. Do you know if the 1901 Harry was born in Hampstead and a brass worker? The marriage seems right.Harry's father was Thomas and he was a brass worker
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24 Mar 2013 15:11 |
Potty Thank you. I will try that in future. There are a lot of variations. Thank you very much for helping to find them. Thanks also to MarieCeleste and Ann.
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24 Mar 2013 15:07 |
Was wondering about this birth:
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 Name: Harry Samuel Humphrey Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1871 Registration district: Farnham Inferred County: Surrey Volume: 2a Page: 109
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24 Mar 2013 15:06 |
A little tip, Jany. When searching for a name like Humphrey which could easily be mis-spelt, use a wild card, eg Humph*
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24 Mar 2013 15:06 |
I think they both muddled the ages a bit..Bertha was 8 years older than Harry. The death ages were Bertha aged 71 in 1937 which would tie up with a 1865 birth and Harry 71 in 1948, so still a bit out
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24 Mar 2013 15:04 |
That's OK, Jany, I get lost north of the river!
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24 Mar 2013 15:02 |
1901 England Census about Leslie H Humphresy Name: Leslie H Humphresy Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897 Relation: Son Father's Name: Harry S Humphresy Mother's name: Berthe M Humphresy Gender: Male Where born: Beckenham, Kent, England Civil parish: Croydon Ecclesiastical parish: Upper Norwood All Saints Town: Croydon County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Croydon Sub-registration district: Croydon ED, institution, or vessel: 91 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 214 Piece: 649 Folio: 131 Page Number: 35 Household Members: Name Age Harry S Humphresy 32 Berthe M Humphresy 34 Leslie H Humphresy 4 Ernest Savage 19
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24 Mar 2013 15:00 |
Potty.... That is the right marriage,I thought Croydon was in Camberwell....get lost that side of the water!!!!
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24 Mar 2013 14:59 |
According to the marriage Samuel Harry was born circa 1871:
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Bertha Mabel Pizey of 6 Lordship Lane Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 Age: 27 Spouse Name: Harry Samuel Humphrey, brass finisher of 69 Grove Lane. Spouse Age: 25 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 4 Jan 1896 Parish: Camberwell St Giles Borough: Southwark Father Name: Montagu Pizey - Schoolmaster Spouse Father Name: Thomas Humphrey - Brass finisher Register Type: Parish Register
Neither married before.
Witnesses: Montague B Pizey and Florence A Pizey
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24 Mar 2013 14:58 |
Thank you all for helping. Harry was married in Camberwell, south London in 1896. He was a Brass Finisher Bertha Mabel nee Pizey was born in 1865 in Cheltenham The one Ann found in 1891 is him,as his family moved to Bromley in Kent.
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24 Mar 2013 14:58 |
Are you sure they married in Croydon? This seems to be their marriage, in Camberwell:
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Bertha Mabel Pizey Name: Bertha Mabel Pizey Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 Age: 27 Spouse Name: Harry Samuel Humphrey Spouse Age: 25 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 4 Jan 1896 Parish: Camberwell St Giles Borough: Southwark Father Name: Montagu Pizey Spouse Father Name: Thomas Humphrey Register Type: Parish Register
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24 Mar 2013 14:54 |
Jany - do you know Samuel Harry's occupation and when they married? It all helps.
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24 Mar 2013 14:53 |
Name: Harry S Humphrey Event Type: Census Event Date: 1891 Gender: Male Age: 20 Relationship to Head of Household: Son Birthplace: Hampstead, Middlesex Schedule Type: Household Registration District: Bromley Sub-District: Bromley Ecclesiastical Parish: St Peter & St Paul Parish: Bromley County: Kent
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24 Mar 2013 14:53 |
Or is this Bertha:
Name: Bertha Humphreys Age in 1911: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866 Relation to Head: Lodger Gender: Female Birth Place: Dulwich Civil parish: Croydon County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street Address: 42 Howley Road, Croydon Marital Status: Married Years Married: 15 Estimated Marriage Year: 1896 Occupation: Tailoress Registration district: Croydon Registration District Number: 39 Sub-registration district: South Croydon ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Household schedule number: 340 Piece: 3304 Household Members: Name Age Harry J Comber 41 Alice L Comber 34 Alec J Comber 4 Gladys L Comber 3 Ivy G Comber 3 Bertha Humphreys 45 - married Leslie Humphreys 14 - born Peckham Rye
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24 Mar 2013 14:53 |
Ann Yes,that's the one!
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24 Mar 2013 14:52 |
Could this be Bertha in 1911?
COMBER, Harry J Head Married M 41 1870 Corporation Tramways Inspector Lindfield Sussex COMBER, Alice L Wife Married 8 years F 34 1877 Ware Herts COMBER, Alex J Son M 4 1907 Croydon COMBER, Glady L Daughter F 3 1908 Croydon COMBER, Ivy G Daughter F 3 1908 Croydon HUMPHREYS, Bertha Lodger Married 15 years F 45 1866 Tailoress Dulwich HUMPHREYS, Leslie Son M 14 1897 Peckham Rye
RG number: RG14 Piece: 3304 Reference: RG14PN3304 RG78PN125 RD39 SD2 ED23 SN340 Registration District: Croydon Sub District: South Croydon Enumeration District: 23 Parish: Croydon
Address: 42 Howley Road Croydon County: Surrey
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24 Mar 2013 14:51 |
this him?
Name: Samuel H Humphry Age (Original): 7 Gender: Male Birth Year: 1874 Birthplace: Hampstead, Middlesex, England Relationship to Head of Household: Son Marital Status: Single Occupation: Scholar Address: 3-? Ambrose Cott Event Place: Hampstead, Middlesex, England Disability: Record Type: Household GS Film number: 1341036 Affiliate Publication Number: RG11 Piece/Folio: 166 / 80 Page Number: 20 Household Gender Age Birthplace Head Thomas J Humphry M 38 Hampstead, Middlesex, England Wife Sarah A Humphry F 39 Saffron Walden, Essex, England Son Thomas H Humphry M 17 Hampstead, Middlesex, England Son Albert J Humphry M 10 Hampstead, Middlesex, England Son Samuel H Humphry M 7 Hampstead, Middlesex, England Son James F Humphry M 5 Hampstead, Middlesex, England
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24 Mar 2013 14:48 |
Could someone possibly let me have the 1901/1911 census details for this couple please? Harry Samuel Humphrey born 1874 Hampstead London and wife Bertha Mabel born 1865 Cheltenham. They would have been living in the Croydon area, probably, as they married there and died there. Harry was actually born Samuel Harry but switched the name around ,so might be under either name! Thank you
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