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Ian Alexander
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12 Mar 2013 14:59 |
Hi, I'm trying to trace my great grand mothers relatives, I believe they originate in Scotland. Her name is Grace Forrest born around 1838 her father was William Forrest (engraver).She married my G'grand father (William Lamb) in 1863 in Manchester and gives her age as 29 - (birth year 1834)- but this does not align with her death cert which gives her birth year as 1838.
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AnnCardiff
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12 Mar 2013 15:10 |
Hello Ian - best place to look for connection on this site is to use "Search" facility - top right hand corner of this page - you can then see if ther are any connections on this site - if you strike lucky you have the option of contacting the owner of that tree
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12 Mar 2013 15:12 |
any idea where she was born?
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12 Mar 2013 15:21 |
do you have the names of any of thir children?
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12 Mar 2013 15:22 |
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Name: Thomas Lamb Age (Original): 17 Gender: Male Birth Year: 1864 Birthplace: Manchester, Lancashire, England Relationship to Head of Household: Son Marital Status: Single Occupation: Printer Compositor Address: 24 Rumford St Event Place: Hulme, Lancashire, England Disability: Record Type: Household GS Film number: 1341939 Affiliate Publication Number: RG11 Piece/Folio: 3933 / 131 Page Number: 25 Household Gender Age Birthplace Head William Lamb M 49 Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter Ruth Lamb F 22 Manchester, Lancashire, England Son Thomas Lamb M 17 Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter Fanny Lamb F 16 Manchester, Lancashire, England Son William Lamb M 14 Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter Elizabeth Lamb F 8 Manchester, Lancashire, England
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rootgatherer
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12 Mar 2013 17:31 |
Is this your Grace please?
1911
Name: Grace Lamb Age in 1911: 73 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838 Relation to Head: Boarder Gender: Female Birth Place: Scotland, Dundee, Scotland Civil parish: Poplar County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 69 Three Mills Lane, Bromley By Bow, London E Marital Status: Widowed Occupation: PENSIONER Registration district: Poplar Registration District Number: 22 Sub-registration district: Bromley ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Piece: 1679 Household Members: Name Age Edith Brooks 40 Emma Matthews 50 Grace Lamb 73 Henry Brooks 5 Emma Brooks 4 Arthur Brooks 2
1871
Name: Grace Lamb Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: William Lamb Gender: Female Where born: Scotland Civil parish: Bromley St Leonard Ecclesiastical parish: Bromley St Leonard County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Poplar Sub-registration district: Bow ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household schedule number: 88 Piece: 570 Folio: 29 Page Number: 14 Household Members: Name Age William Lamb 44 Grace Lamb 33 Isabella Lamb 21
With a bit of luck the marriage certificate will give ages of the bride and groom and the names and occupations of their fathers.
Marriages Dec 1863 Astley William Manchester 8d 569 Forrest Grace Manchester 8d 569 <<<<<<<<<< Lamb William Manchester 8d 569 <<<<<<<<<<< Walker Mary Manchester 8d 569
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rootgatherer
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12 Mar 2013 17:38 |
1851 - no Grace her but she may be a live-in servant elsewhere.
Name: William Forrest Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806 Relationship: Head Spouse's Name: Lillias Forrest Gender: Male Where born: Burnwyne, Midlothian Parish Number: 685/2 Civil parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts County: Midlothian Address: 17 Archibald Pl Occupation: Copperplate Engraver ED: 13A Page: 3 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 12 Line: 17 Roll: CSSCT1851_182 Household Members: Name Age William Forrest 45 Lillias Forrest 40 Richard Forrest 15 Thomas S Forrest 11 William Forrest 7 Charles S Forrest 3 1861
Name: William Forrest Age: 55 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Lillias Forrest Gender: Male Where born: Ratho, Midlothian Registration number: 685/4 Registration district: St Giles Civil parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts County: Midlothian Address: 17 Archibald Place Occupation: Engraver ED: 85 Household schedule number: 72 Line: 8 Roll: CSSCT1861_128 Household Members: Name Age William Forrest 55 Lillias Forrest 51 Richard Forrest 25 William Forrest 17 Charles S Forrest 13 Flavie Mcrorie 18
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12 Mar 2013 17:50 |
Hmm...perhaps not that family as no Grace in 1841
Piece: SCT1841/685 Place: St Cuthbert's -Midlothian Enumeration District: 63 Civil Parish: St Cuthbert's Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: South & West Folio: 63 Page: 2 Address: Archibald Place
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
FORREST Wm. M 36 Engraver Midlothian FORREST Lillian F 31 Midlothian FORREST Helen F 7 Midlothian FORREST Richard M 5 Midlothian FORREST Thos. Stew F 2 Midlothian FORRETST Lillian F 2d Midlothian Page: 63/3 STEWART Hellen F 15 Midlothian TELFORD Agnes F 18 Female Servant Midlothian
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Mary
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12 Mar 2013 18:23 |
1851 Bolten Le Moor Lancashire.
Grace Torrest (Forrest) born 1831 scotland a visitor.
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12 Mar 2013 18:33 |
Forrest Grace-Roy, Birth-21 April 1835, Bapt 29th June 1835,
Abroath Angus,,Parents,---William Forrest and Ann Roy.
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lancashireAnn
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12 Mar 2013 23:40 |
if you have access to ancestry you can see the parish register image here
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec?htx=View&r=5538&dbid=2962&iid=40364_636672_2162-00095&fn=William&ln=Lamb&st=d&ssrc=&pid=2336986
Dec 26th 1863 St John's Manchester William age 39 widower occ smith, father William a shoemaker Grace age 29 spinster, father William Forrest engineer
witnesses James & Emma Gadd
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lancashireAnn
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12 Mar 2013 23:48 |
is this William in 1861
William Lamb 38 occ smith born Northallerton Elizabeth Lamb 30 William Lamb 12 Richard Lamb 11 John Lamb 8 Edwin Lamb 4 George Lamb 2 Thomas Lamb 10 Months
edit - not the right William as he is still with Elizabeth in 1871 - will leave on for elimination purposes
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GlasgowLass
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13 Mar 2013 00:45 |
Re the 1835 Arbroath birth posted by Kay... I suspect she has identified the correct girl Same couple had a daughter named Catherine Jane Forrest baptised in St Vigeans in 1834 Here is the family in Sheffield at 1841
Head of household William Forrest, ( looks as if he may be widowed) is a Civil Engneer and census states everyone in the household was born in Scotland Includes both Grace R and Cath J with the correct ages
1841 England Census about Grace R Forest Name: Grace R Forest Age: 6 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835 Gender: Female Where born: Scotland Civil parish: Sheffield Hundred: Strafforth and Tickhill (South Division) County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Sheffield Sub-registration district: Sheffield Park Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1336 Book: 6 Folio: 29 Page Number: 5 Household Members: Name Age William Forest 54 Margaret Forest 20 Elizabeth Forest 15 Wm F Forest 8 **** Edit See below: Catha J Forest 7 Grace R Forest 6 James Forest 3
Edit from above Births and marriage on Family Search William Forrest and Ann Roy: Marriage banns are found in both Kinross and Midlothian 13 Jun 1830 Had children born, Midlothian, Angus and Manchester *** William Farr Vairn Forrest, born and baptised 1832 in Manchester None of the Midlothian born children appear on the 1841 return
Possible for 1851
1851 England Census about Grace Torrest Name: Grace Torrest [Grace Forrest] Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831 Relation: Visitor Gender: F (Female) Where born: Scotland Civil parish: Great Bolton Town: Bolton le Moors County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Bolton Sub-registration district: Bolton Western ED, institution, or vessel: 1j Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 135 Piece: 2211 Folio: 325 Page Number: 32 Household Members: Name Age Alexander Towns 29 b Scotland Margaret Towns 29 June Towns 6 Margaret Towns 2 Mo Grace Torrest 20
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Ian Alexander
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13 Mar 2013 10:20 |
Thanks for all your responses, Grace and husband William did live and die in Bromely St. Leonard- Bow, as identified, William d.1891 and Grace 1912. Also, I have just received a copy of the marriage cert. and it gives profession of father as engraver ? The Ancestry marriage info (I don't have access) given by Lancashireann which states engineer is interesting as it ties in with some of the other later info.also this is the correct marriage data as everything aligns except the fathers proffession which could easily have been written wrongly.
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Ian Alexander
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13 Mar 2013 10:24 |
Forgot to add that they had one child Charles Henry Lamb b. 1873
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lancashireAnn
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13 Mar 2013 10:49 |
maybe someone else with ancestry could check but I am fairly certain that the original image reads engineer on that marriage
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GlasgowLass
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13 Mar 2013 12:30 |
Re 1863 marriage between William Lamb and Grace Forrest: Definitely says that William Forrest, father of Grace was an ENGINEER
Manchester, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1930 about Grace Forrest Name: Grace Forrest Birth Year: abt 1834 Age: 29 Marriage Date: 26 Dec 1863 Parish: Manchester, St John Parish as it Appears: Manchester Father's Name: William Forrest Spouse's Name: William Lamb Spouse's Father's Name: William Lamb Reference Number: GB127.M403/6/3/38
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Ian Alexander
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14 Mar 2013 09:32 |
Thanks Anne for confirmation of profession. The facts seem to align namely the birth place -Arbroath- and given location on death cert - Dundee- are not far apart.Also 1851 census suggests that Margaret Towns is her sister (married), the given ages -birth, census and marriage don't align but ??Is it possible to determine any marriage info for William Forest and Ann Roy if they were married ? Thanks again.
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GlasgowLass
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14 Mar 2013 13:39 |
Hi Ian, As posted above the marriage banns for William Forrest and Ann Roy were read in both Kinross and Midlothian on 13 Jun 1830. ( Found on Family search) Marriage banns were often read in the parishes of both the bride and groom, but very rarely will it say where and when the marriage actually took place. It was however, more often in the Brides home parish. The OPR entries should say who lived where... Scotland's People will have these.
William F, Grace R and Catherine J were all definitely their children, and it looks like they moved around. Williams birth registered in Manchester 1832, Grace and Catherine in Angus 1834 and 1835, and all found in Sheffield at 1841. After the marriage in Midlothian or Kinrosss , - they seem to move to Manchester- Angus- Sheffield Any children born within the marriage would not be over 11yrs at 1841, therefore assuming the older ones are his children, it isuggests that William was married before. Margaret and Elizabeth Forrest would therefore have a different mother.
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