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10 Mar 2013 20:00 |
Martha Dickson nee Cole B 1843 Poplar Married John Dickson in 1868 In 1881 Census she her son Perry and daughter Edith are with her parents Isaac and Martha Cole Cannot find in 1891 Census In 1901 Census she is a Widow living on her own means with daughter Edith In 1911 she is Head of family married and with daughter Edith All through this there is no sign of husband John How in 1901 she was a Widow and yet in 1911 she was still married. Where on earth was John
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Catherine
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10 Mar 2013 20:16 |
For ref:-
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Martha Susannah Cole Name: Martha Susannah Cole Spinster Spouse Name: John Purvis Dickson Bachelor Occupation;- Wine Merchant Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 1 Oct 1868 Parish: Poplar All Saints Borough: Tower Hamlets Father Name: Isaac Cole Occupation:- Stevedore Spouse Father Name: John Purvis Dickson Occupation:- Ship Builder Register Type: Parish Register
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1881 England Census about Martha Dickson Name: Martha Dickson [Martha Cole] Age: 38 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Isaac Cole Mother's name: Martha Cole Gender: Female Where born: Poplar, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Poplar County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 58 East India Rd Condition as to marriage: Married
Registration district: Poplar Sub-registration district: Poplar ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 507 Folio: 153 Page Number: 46 Household Members: Name Age Isaac Cole 64 Martha Cole 58 Charles Cole 25 Frances Cole 22 Ellen M. Cole 20 Llewellyn Cole 19 Allen Cole 17 Florence Cole 11 Martha Dickson 38 Perry Dickson 12 Edith Dickson 6 Alice Peat 16 ..............................................
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about John Percy A Dickson Name: John Percy A Dickson Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1882 Age at Death: 13 Registration district: Poplar Inferred County: London Volume: 1c Page: 474
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Catherine
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10 Mar 2013 20:19 |
1871 England Census about John Purvis Dickson Name: John Purvis Dickson Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Martha Susanna Dickson Gender: Male Where born: Scotland Civil parish: Hackney St John Ecclesiastical parish: Hackney St John County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Hackney Sub-registration district: West Hackney ED, institution, or vessel: 6b Household schedule number: 43 Piece: 321 Folio: 146 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age John Purvis Dickson 26 - Timber ? Merchant - also Shop Owner Martha Susanna Dickson 27 Jno Percy Alexr Dickson 2 Albert Jas Cole Dickson 2 Months Charlotte Goodfellow 28 Margaret Hood 17 Janet Ritchel 80
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Catherine
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10 Mar 2013 20:22 |
1881 John was in Prison:-
1881 England Census about John Purvis Dickson Name: John Purvis Dickson Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846 Relation: Prisoner Gender: Male Where born: Greenock, Scotland Civil parish: Lidford County/Island: Devon Country: England Street Address: "Her Majesty Convict Prison"Princetown Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Commission Agent Registration district: Tavistock Sub-registration district: Tavistock ED, institution, or vessel: Her Majestys Convict Prison Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2219 Folio: 121 Page Number: 38
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Catherine
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10 Mar 2013 20:25 |
1901 :-
1901 Scotland Census about John Purvis Dickson Name: John Purvis Dickson Age: 60 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841 Relationship: Convict (Prisoner) Gender: Male Where born: Greenock, Renfrewshire Registration number: 232/1 Registration district: Peterhead Civil parish: Peterhead County: Aberdeenshire Address: By Peterhead Occupation: Marine Engineer ED: H M General Convict Prison Household schedule number: 1 Line: 7 Roll: CSSCT1901_77
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Fredk
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10 Mar 2013 20:33 |
Thanks all for the infomation So thats where he was. Looks like the 1901 Widow bit was a cover up
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Catherine
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10 Mar 2013 20:54 |
If 1881 and 1901 are your man, then these may also be relevant????:-
England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 about John Purvis Dickson Name: John Purvis Dickson Date of Trial: 15 Jul 1878 Trial Year: 1878 Location of Trial: Sussex, England Sentence: Imprisonment Crime: Larceny after a previous conviction for Felony Date of Execution or Release: Sentence:- 12 calender months hard labour no order for police supervision.
Also :- Misdemenour obtaining goods and money by false pretences Sentence:- No sentence on this indichment
And :- Same as above. Sentence:- Not proceeded with.
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Fredk
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10 Mar 2013 20:57 |
Unlikely to be two John Purvis Dicksons of the same age and missing. Bit of a chancer
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Catherine
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10 Mar 2013 21:00 |
England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 about John Purvis Dickson Name: John Purvis Dickson Date of Trial: 3 Mar 1884 Trial Year: 1884 Location of Trial: Lancashire, England Sentence: Acquittal Crime: Larceny Date of Execution or Release: Sentence:- Not Guilty
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England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 about John Purvis Dickson Name: John Purvis Dickson Date of Trial: 19 Apr 1884 Trial Year: 1884 Location of Trial: Lancashire, England Sentence: Acquittal Crime: Larceny Sentence:- Not Guilty
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England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 about John Purvis Dickson Name: John Purvis Dickson Date of Trial: 20 Oct 1884 Trial Year: 1884 Location of Trial: Lancashire, England Sentence: Imprisonment Crime: Fraud before convicted of a crime Sentence:- 12 months
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Catherine
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10 Mar 2013 21:04 |
England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 about John Purvis Dickson Name: John Purvis Dickson Date of Trial: 14 Dec 1885 Trial Year: 1885 Location of Trial: Lancashire, England Sentence: Imprisonment Crime: 2 Convictions of Fraud before convicted of a crime Sentence:- 5 years 5 years the second to commence on the expiration of the first.
.............so 1891 John was probably still in prison.
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Fredk
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10 Mar 2013 21:10 |
Catherine
Thanks for the additional information
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Catherine
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10 Mar 2013 21:12 |
There is just one other John Purvis Dickson but he was born in 1877:-
Births Sep 1877 (>99%) DICKSON John Purvis Hackney 1b 565
..................................... so the Criminal Records can't be this one.
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Catherine
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10 Mar 2013 21:29 |
John Purvis Dixon, "England and Wales Census, 1891"
Name: John Purvis Dixon Event Type: Census Event Date: 1891 Gender: Male Age: 45 Relationship to Head of Household: Convict Birthplace: Greenock Schedule Type: Institution Registration District: Weymouth Sub-District: Portland Ecclesiastical Parish: St Peters Parish: Castletown County: Dorsetshire
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Catherine
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10 Mar 2013 21:31 |
John Purvis Dickson, "England and Wales Census, 1911"
Name: John Purvis Dickson Event Type: Census Event Date: 1911 Gender: Male Age: 71 Birthplace: Scotland Greenock Resident, Renfrewshire Schedule Type: Institution Registration District: Isle Of Wight Sub-District: Newport Parish: Carisbrooke County: Hampshire
Married Occupation:- Traveller Rubber Goods
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Catherine
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10 Mar 2013 21:48 |
This looks to be the other John Purvis Dickson in 1911:-
DICKSON, James Head Married M 62 1849 Director Of Public Company Liverpool VIEW DICKSON, Emily Ann Wife Married 36 years F 59 1852 Parish of Poplar Middlesex VIEW DICKSON, John Purvis Son Single M 33 1878 Managing Director Company Parish of South Hackey Middlesex VIEW COLE, Florence Ada Sister In Law Single F 40 1871 Parish of Poplar Middlesex VIEW HOOKE, Clara Cook Single F 40 1871 Cook Domestic Birmingham VIEW TREMAINE, Elleb Housemaid Single F 22 1889 Housemaid Domestic Tottenham Middlesex VIEW TREMAINE Domestic Help Widow F 52 1859 Domestic Help Kent VIEW
RG number: RG14 Piece: 3524 Reference: RG14PN3524 RG78PN131 RD40 SD2 ED27 SN207 Registration District: Kingston Sub District: Kingston Enumeration District: 27 Parish: Coombe Address: The Beeches Kingston Hill County: Surrey
His mother was Emily Ann Cole who was Martha's sister:-
1861 England Census about Emily A Cole Name: Emily A Cole Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Isaac Cole Mother's name: Martha Cole Gender: Female Where born: Bromley, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Poplar Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints County/Island: Middlesex Country: England
Registration district: Poplar Sub-registration district: Poplar ED, institution, or vessel: 37 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 131 Piece: 309 Folio: 43 Page Number: 27 Household Members: Name Age Isaac Cole 40 Martha Cole 39 xxxx Martha S Cole 18 xxxx Isaac I Cole 16 Thos G Cole 15 Alanander Cole 13 Adolphus Cole 11 Emily A Cole 9 Alace Cole 7 Charles C Cole 4 Francis Cole 3 Ellen Cole 8 Months Mary M Philpott 18
...............so wondering if two brothers married two sisters?
1871 England Census about Emily Cole Name: Emily Cole Age: 19 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Isaac Cole Mother's name: Martha Cole Gender: Female Where born: Poplar, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Poplar All Saints Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Poplar Sub-registration district: Poplar ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Household schedule number: 247 Piece: 583 Folio: 54 Page Number: 41 Isaac Cole 51 Martha Cole 48 Alexander Cole 23 Emily Cole 19 Alice Cole 16 Charles Cole 14 Frances Cole 12 Ellen Cole 10 Llewellen Cole 8 Allen Cole 5 xxxxx Florence Cole 1 xxxxx Isabella Stevens 20 Emma Reilly 22
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10 Mar 2013 21:58 |
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Emily Ann Cole Name: Emily Ann Cole Spouse Name: James Dickson Occupation:- Merchants Clerk Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 15 Oct 1874 Parish: Poplar All Saints Borough: Tower Hamlets Father Name: Isaac Cole Occupation: M. Rigger Spouse Father Name: John Purvis Dickson Occupation:- Engineer Register Type: Parish Register
Father of James is also Jon Purvis Dickson so James is the brother of John Purvis Dickson. How different the two sister's lives turned out to be. Looks like Martha picked the short straw, poor Martha!
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11 Mar 2013 11:56 |
Catherine For info In your post of 10 March 2013 at 2148 Tried using on GU Piece 309 Folio 43 Page 27 for 1861 Census and it comes back no results Again thanks for all your help
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11 Mar 2013 13:52 |
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