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HeyJudeB4Beatles
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21 Feb 2013 19:22 |
Please go to last post :-)
In 1861, my great GREAT grandparents Thomas and Jane Llewellyn are at home at their farm in "Lanedarn". With them is their 8 year old grandson Sydney Bailey.
Name: Sydney Bailey Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853 Relation: Grandson Gender: Male Where born: Lanedarn, Glamorgan, Wales Civil Parish or Township: Llanedeyrn County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Registration district: Cardiff Sub-registration district: Caerphilly ED, institution, or vessel: 10b Household schedule number: 21 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4030 Folio: 31 Page Number: 5 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Llewellyn 56 Jane Llewellyn 56 Thomas Llewellyn 22 Sydney Bailey 8 Mary MA Carthy 15
Six pages on are his parents Ann and Oliver Bailey
Name: Ann Bailey Age: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Oliver Bailey Gender: Female Where born: Roath, Glamorgan, Wales Civil Parish or Township: Llanedeyrn County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Registration district: Cardiff Sub-registration district: Caerphilly ED, institution, or vessel: 10b Household schedule number: 52 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4030 Folio: 34 Page Number: 11 Household Members: Name Age Oliver Bailey 31 Ann Bailey 31 Thomas Bailey 9 Samuel Bailey 5 Mary Jane Bailey 1
Ann - nee Llewellyn - is Thomas and Jane's daughter.
This census is the ONLY record I have of Sydney. I can't find a birth, another census or a death.
Having said that I can't find births for many of his siblings either!
This is the family in 1871
Name: Ann Bailey Age: 42 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Oliver Bailey Gender: Female Where born: Roath, Glamorganshire, Wales Civil parish: Llanedarn County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Registration district: Cardiff Sub-registration district: Whitchurch ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Household schedule number: 50 Piece: 5354 Folio: 9 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age Oliver Bailey 44 Ann Bailey 42 Thomas Bailey 19 Samuel Bailey 15 Oliver Bailey 7 George Bailey 5 John Bailey 3 Francis Bailey 1 Month
The only sibling missing (apart from Sydney) is Mary Jane who died in 1863.
Can anyone throw any light on Sydney? I really don't know why I have him as Sydney Bailey Bailey.
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MargaretM
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21 Feb 2013 19:34 |
Something I don't understand, Jude, is that you say that Thomas & Jane Llewellyn are your gt. grandparents so their grandson Sidney is the same generation as your parent. But he was born 1853. Is that possible?
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HeyJudeB4Beatles
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21 Feb 2013 19:36 |
Sorry missed a great out!!!! ha ha!
Ann Llewellyn/Bailey was the sister of my (real) great grandfather Lewis llewellyn!!
Jude
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21 Feb 2013 19:40 |
To clarify
Me 1950's...my dad 1920's..my grandad 1880's...my great grandad 1830's...my great great grandad 1807ish
Sydney's mother 1829....
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MargaretM
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21 Feb 2013 19:42 |
Gotcha! I thought, maybe you were 100 years old or so.
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MargaretM
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21 Feb 2013 19:54 |
I can't find anything on Sydney, Jude.
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21 Feb 2013 19:54 |
Yeah I'm a witch Margee!!!! It was confirmed today...I am trying to persuade my boss to spend £4000 on a new photocopier which also is a printer, a scanner and a fax. On the basis that the colour printer we have is ten years old and can't last much longer...that was what I said last Thursday.....and yesterday the printer conked out :-)
I sometimes feel a hundred mind ;-) ;-)
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HeyJudeB4Beatles
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21 Feb 2013 19:55 |
No Margee...I couldn't (was really wanting everyone to say to me that I wasn't being stupid)
Jude
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9 May 2014 19:54 |
Well an update...I found a christening on October 2nd 1853...and it explains why I have him as Sidney Bailey Bailey because under the heading "Child's Christian Name" it says Sidney Bailey son of ....Oliver and Anne Bailey ergo Sidney Bailey Bailey...but I can't find him after 1861 still
EDITS - alive in June 1878 - witness at his brother's wedding
Jude
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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10 May 2014 09:02 |
Is it possible he was in the Boar war and didn't survive .
That may explain why you can't find him later
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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10 May 2014 09:05 |
May be a different man !
Print this page View image First Name Sydney Last Name Bailey Age At Attestation Months - Age At Attestation Years - Record set British Army Service Records 1760-1915 Attestation Day 28 Attestation Month November Year Of Birth - Document Type Discharge Year 1884 Birth Country - Birth County - Attestation Corps - Birth Parish - Attestation Soldier Number - Birth Town - Discharge Corps - Discharge Soldier Number - Rank - Box 0240 Regiment - Box Record Number - Soldier Number - Series WO121 Dataset Title Chelsea Pensioners discharge documents 1760-1887 Category Military, armed forces & conflict Record collection Regimental & service records Collections from Great Britain
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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10 May 2014 09:09 |
Shot in the dark
Anglo-Boer War records 1899-1902 Transcription First Name S Last Name Bailey Soldier Number Unknown Rank Private Regiment The Royal Welsh Fusiliers Year 1899-1902 Notes [In Memoriam Roll of Honour Imperial Forces Anglo-Boer War 1899-1902. Steve Watt, University of Natal Press, Pietermaritzburg 2000] Memorials Cathay Park. National Memorial. Cardiff, SOUTH GLAMORGAN, Wales St Giles. North side Tower. Tablet. Royal Welsh Fusiliers. Wrexham, CLWYD, Wales Units - Casualties Details: Enteric on 23 June 1900 at Potchefstroom (Official casualty roll location: Potchefstroom) Unit: The Royal Welsh Fusiliers Source: South African Field Force. JB Hayward & Sons Gazetteer: [2626: 2643-2705] a town in the South African Republic (Potchefstroom district; North West), 45 km north-west of Parys. The town and district furnished burghers for a commando (Cmdt A.P.J. Cronjé?, Cmdt M.J. Wolmarans, Cmdt, A.M. Redlinghuys, Cmdt J.T. Martins, Cmdt F.J. Roos). The advanced troops of Brig-Gen B.T. Mahon's 10th divisional cavalry occupied the town on 11 June 1900; it was entrenched for defense and garrisoned. It was evacuated on 8 August, the garrison marching to Rietfontein after destroying surplus supplies and ammunition; it was reoccupied by the Boers. During this period it was visited by Chief-Cmdt C.R de Wet. On 10 September 1900 the town was surrounded by Maj-Gen A.F. Hart's column and 78 burghers taken prisoner; he evacuated the temporary garrison which he had left there on 15 September. By January 1901, it was a base for the refitting and resupply of British columns operating in the western Transvaal. It was the location of a white concentration refugee camp. HMG III pp.232, 247, 347 and 376-377 (map no.38), IV p.128 (map no.59); Times IV pp.224, 362 and 426 (map facing p.432), V p.9 (map facing p.412); De Wet p.192; Cd.819. Record set Anglo-Boer War records 1899-1902 Category Military, armed forces & conflict Record collection Boer Wars Collections from Great Britain
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10 May 2014 10:15 |
I've also searched for him with absolutly nothing apart from some of the info found by Shirley.
Thought I'd found something, a Sydney Bailey married Mary Jane Parker in 1889, Barwick in Elmet (Yorkshire) - and he named his father Jacob Coat (stonemason), which seemed a bit odd, so I wondered if Sydney was a "problem" child. Staying with grandparents in 1861 maybe taken in by Jacob Coat.
However, I can't find Jacob Coat with a Sydney and according to later census (living Leeds) Sydney was from Somerset - so it looks like another dead end.
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HeyJudeB4Beatles
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10 May 2014 12:00 |
Unfortunately there are a lot of Baileys and,as is the norm, siblings children are named the same! The other five boys had 48 children between them!
I'll look into the Boer War angle. I have found a potential marriage June 1874 in Cardiff to Mary Ann Jones. The other witness at Samuel's wedding was Mary Ann Bailey which then fits with the 1874 marriage. May just send for it out of curiosity!
But I can't find either of them in 1881.
What I find strange is that I have eight siblings born between 1851 and 1871 - cannot find births for Sidney/Sydney (1853) or Samuel 1855. And I have found baptisms for the first four and the last one but the three in the middle do not appear to have been baptised.
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10 May 2014 12:25 |
Maybe they couldn't be bothered registering the births - and as the middle 3 don't appear to have been christened maybe they were in a different parish for a while but back in home parish in time for the youngest?
It seems strange they didn't get them christened at same time as the youngest - unless they had already christened them in another parish.
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21 May 2014 18:16 |
OK the marriage certificate came today....note to self - NEVER EVER order again on a Friday night! It has take 11 days to arrive.
Anyway - it's a bingo feeling :-)
It is indeed my Sidney/Sydney and here are the details:
Date 13 April 1874 at Cardiff Register Office
Sidney aged 20 of 9 Charels Street Roath which is the same address as his brothers and his nephew's marriage.
Father Oliver Bailey - labourer - checks out although he is latterly a plasterer
he married Mary Ann Jones, spinster, aged 21 years of 17 Croft Street Roath. Father David Jones deceased.
The witnesses were William Phillips and Celia Roberts who mean absolutely nothing to me.
So...where was Sidney in 1871?
And he was alive in 1878 (as was Mary Ann) so where were they in 1881?
I am going to have a look for Mary Ann prior to the marriage but Mary Ann daughter of David Jones in Wales = needle in a haystack!
Oh and Sidney was a labourer too so think the soldier angle is a blind alley :-(
Jude
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22 May 2014 13:57 |
1871 Wales Census Name:Celia Roberts Age:19 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1852 Relation:Servant Gender:Female Where born:Bedwas, Monmouthshire, Wales Civil Parish: Eglwysilan Town:Caerphilly County/Island:Glamorgan Country:Wales Registration district:Pontypridd Sub-registration district:Pontypridd ED, institution, or vessel:1 Household schedule number:1 Piece:5374 Folio:4 Page Number:1
Marriages Jun 1876 (>99%) ----------------------------------------------- James Phebe Merthyr T 11a 600 PHILLIPS William Merthyr T 11a 600 Roberts Celia Merthyr T 11a 600 Thomas John Merthyr T 11a 600
(possibly!, William on same 1871 image, Mary Ann Jones over the page, with Mother Ann, widow)
Chris :)
1861 Wales Census Name:Ann Jones Age:29 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1832 Relation:Wife Spouse's Name:David Jones Gender:Female Where born:Bedwellty, Monmouthshire, Wales Civil Parish or Township:Eglwysilan County/Island:Glamorgan Country:Wales Registration district:Cardiff Sub-registration district:Caerphilly ED, institution, or vessel:8b Household schedule number:34 Neighbors: View others on page Piece:4030 Folio:16 Page Number:7 Household Members: NameAge David Jones 32 (Coal Miner) Ann Jones 29 Elizabeth Jones 8 Mary Ann Jones 5 John Jones 3 Rachel Jones 7mo James Davies
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24 May 2014 19:44 |
Yep Chris reckon they are all correct....but where do Sidney and Mary Ann disappear to after 1878 :-(
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24 May 2014 21:12 |
Do you know if Sidney had any children ? Any names ?
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24 May 2014 22:49 |
Mike....not a clue. Until recently I had no sight of him after 1861. Then I found he was still alive and a witness at brothrr's wedding in1878 which led to me finding the 1874 marriage. But still haven't found him in any census after 1861 or her after their marriage.
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