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20 Jan 2013 21:43 |
Hi there, I am looking for clarification on a problem I have come across in my research:
My ancestor Mary Banner was born on 29th March 1789 in Runcorn, Cheshire to her parents William Banner and Eleanor Yewd. William and Eleanor seemed to have married in Weaverham, Cheshre in 1771, the same parish were Eleanor was baptised in May 1750.
Now, looking for a baptism of William on family search, a POSSIBLE one is the baptism of a William Banner in Frodsham, Cheshire on 25 July 1733, making William about 38 when he married and then about 57 when his youngest child Mary was born.
Now although not impossible, this, at the time, seems unlikely to me, so is there a way to confirm a link between the baptism in 1733 and marriage in 1771?!
I had emailed the parish council in Frodsham as they had information on William's father Peter, which read:
M.I.in Frodsham Church reads. Near this place lies the body of Peter Banner,carpenter of Frodsham who died of dropsy Oct 21 1749 aged 50 and in 33 months he was tapped for 58 times and had 1,032 quarts of water taken from him.
This lines then goes back to the 1570s, so I am eager to confirm.
The confirm Peter's children, the same as what I had found, and stated that although they didn't know who William married, he was apprentised to a family in London as a plumber! They did not have a reference for this, but again, does this help the story and confirm a connection?!
I am curious and eager to find out more. Can you help?!
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alviegal
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20 Jan 2013 21:55 |
Don't know if this connects to you or not but, here we go.
London, England, Freedom of the City Admission Papers, 1681-1925 about William Banner Name: William Banner Residence County: Chester Admission Date: 29 Dec 1748 Master's Name: Margarett Battin Father's Name: Peter Banner
He was taking out an apprenticeship with the widow of John Battin, a plumber. It was to last 7 years and he was not to get married in this time. He was from Fransham? in the county of Chester.
Did he have a brother, Henry, apprenticed to a joiner? He came from Frodshamin?
London, England, Freedom of the City Admission Papers, 1681-1925 about Hnry Banner Name: Hnry Banner Residence County: Chester Admission Date: 6 Mar 1753 Master's Name: Anthony Chapman Father's Name: Peter Banner
And an older brother, John, apprenticed to John Battin, plumber. This one came from Frodsham.
London, England, Freedom of the City Admission Papers, 1681-1925 about John Banner Name: John Banner [User-submitted-comment] Residence County: Chester Admission Date: 28 Dec 1741 Master's Name: John Bellett (Battin) Father's Name: Peter Banner
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20 Jan 2013 22:01 |
Thank you Alviegal ... he would be about 14 in 1748 so I suppose that makes sense, age wise and would fit in with the info given from FRODSHAM (I assume Fransham is a corrupation?).
Thank you!
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alviegal
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20 Jan 2013 22:30 |
I know you have seen these but it seems to confirm the above appreticeships.
>>Henry Banner
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 25 Dec 1735 FRODSHAM,?CHESHIRE,?ENGLAND parents: Peter Banner
>>John Banner
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 17 May 1727 FRODSHAM,?CHESHIRE,?ENGLAND parents: Peter Banner
>>William Banner
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 25 Jul 1733 FRODSHAM,?CHESHIRE,?ENGLAND parents: Peter Banner
Peter Banner
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 24 Feb 1738 FRODSHAM,?CHESHIRE,?ENGLAND death: 01 Mar 1738 parents: Peter Banner
Sarah Banner
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 14 Nov 1731 FRODSHAM,?CHESHIRE,?ENGLAND parents: Peter Banner
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Peter
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20 Jan 2013 22:31 |
Ah yes his siblings were:
John, born 1727 Sarah, born 1731 WILLIAM, born 1733 Henry, born 1735 Peter (1738-1738)
Thank you - the church didn't supply this information!
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Peter
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20 Jan 2013 22:33 |
Thank you again - you've confirmed what I have! I do hope William Banner (born 1733) is the one who married Eleanor Yewd in 1771 ... just difficult to confirm!
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alviegal
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20 Jan 2013 22:40 |
You're welcome. It is very difficult to confirm, but it certainly seems possible.
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Peter
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20 Jan 2013 23:16 |
Thank you again - this will be a good reference to work from.
May I ask: the father of the boys apprenticed above was:
M.I.in Frodsham Church reads. Near this place lies the body of Peter Banner,carpenter of Frodsham who died of dropsy Oct 21 1749 aged 50 and in 33 months he was tapped for 58 times and had 1,032 quarts of water taken from him.
Apparently he was a carpenter - so I ask for a look up to see if he was apprenticed?
Also, his father, a Thomas Banner (born 1662) was a doctor - so does he appear on a record? Please only look if it easy to do so. I won't actually help this resolve the issue of the marriage in 1771. I am merely curious.
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alviegal
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21 Jan 2013 13:53 |
Sorry, this is all I could find. Is it your Thomas? He was married to a Mary Dursing?
Cheshire Wills and Probate Print Close First name: Thomas Surname: Banner Abode: Frodsham Occupation: Doctor Date: 1699 Will: Yes Admon: No Inventory: No Codicil: No Notes: Will Supra Document Ref: County: Cheshire Record source: Cheshire Wills and Probate - Transcripts Data provider: Cheshire Archives and Local Studies
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Peter
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22 Jan 2013 20:22 |
Hey yes I THINK that is my Thomas, but didn't know his wife's details. I need to cast my genealogy net wider!
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AnnCardiff
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8 Feb 2014 21:19 |
:-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
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Peter
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9 Feb 2014 18:13 |
Some nice faces there Ann :)
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