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It is on Ancestry.co.uk which doesn't allow me to copy and paste.

Maryb

Hi Mary

Thanks for the information. Much appreciated.

This may be a connection as the dob is around the same time and much of the detail is very much the same.

Framlingham is also the same area. Wher e di you locate these details please?

Emma married Osborn Roper as per below. This would mean she was married very young at 17/18. However this is not unusual at this time.

Emma Barnes
England Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Osborn Roper
Spouse's Name: Emma Barnes
Event Date: 27 Oct 1829
Event Place: Redlingfield, Suffolk, England

Our details show that John Barnes was married to Mary Green but again all has to be confirmed.

Do you have any further information on the family at all please?

Cheers
David

Is this connected

Emma Roper born 14/2/1812 Redlingfield Suffolk to John Barnes and wife Ann
Baptised Framlingham Suffolk Emma Roper Barnes 1/1/1836.

Edit John's wife wasn't Ann it was Mary.

Maryb.

Can anybody please assist with details of Emma Roper nee Barnes?

She was born around 1811 but I cannot locate her birth at all.

Married Osborn Roper in 1829. I can locate her on the various census's but a birth and parents are proving difficult.

Cheers
David :-)

Having confirmation it is almost certain that Hezekiah Middleton is the father of Herbert Roper. However as indicated previously mother Emma Roper is confirmed on the birth registry with no father named and choose to retain the Roper name not Middleton. We now research the Middleton name as the likely bloodline as Osborn Roper, Emma's deceased husband died many years prior to Herbert being born. Hezekiah a widower lived with Emma until their deaths in 81 when Emma passed away.

Excellent to locate Chris Roper and welcome him to the extended family.

David

Click on Judith's name to make direct contact.............

Very happy to share the research Judith/Chris. We certainly have a connection with Herbert.

David

I have been researching exactly the same relative for the last year.I am the great grandson of Herbert.I am guessing that your wife is the child of Ernest and Lena.

I found the link between the middletons and Ropers is through the Barnes family.I have to check to confirm but I think Hezekiahs parents lived with Emma's family in their later years.

I would love to share our research on the Ropers.

Further research has unearthed that Emma Roper is the mother of Herbert Buckenham Roper. Born 26/9/1859. I now have a copy of the Entry of Birth. No indication of who is the father. Interesting that nothing is indicated but leads to the fact that Herbert was illegitimate we have hinted previously.

Emma Roper nee Barnes was a widow at this time from what we know. Hezekiah was living with Emma in the 1861 Census.

What we now know for sure is that we do not require ROPER research as this is not the blood line.

Comments appreciated. David

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If you purchase the birth certificate through the GRO online for £9.25 it will hopefully tell you, at least, who his mother is. That way half of your problem is solved and it will help us to trace him.

Births Sep 1859 (>99%)

Roper Herbert Buch_nham Plomesgate 4a 591
Roper Herbert Buckenham Plomesgate 4a 596

I think the correct number is 596 although it is very difficult to read.

Hopefully it will prove to be the correct one.

Herbert Roper 1862

I have hit a brick wall with Herbert Roper 1862 - Cretingham, Suffolk. This information has been found in the 1881 and 1871 Census where he was living as a lodger.

Birth Year
Birthplace Cretingham, Suffolk, England
Age 19
Occupation Clock Maker
Marital Status U
Head of Household Amelia STANFORD
Relation Lodger


We cannot find any information re his parents and thus come to a full stop despite much assistance from many members. However we do feel that his father may be Hezekiah Middleton brother of Dorcas Stamford and an illegitimate son of a Roper in Cretingham.

My wife Beverley is the Great Grand Daughter of Herbert and very keen to trace the Roper family back further.

Any assistance or information is very much appreciated.

Many thanks to all who have assisted so far over the past 6 months.

Cheers
David

Hi Mark.

Thanks again. Yes I believe Dorcas and Hezekiah were related also.

Cheers
David

Hi again.

The only thing I can find is that Dorcas Middleton married William Stanford in 1841. She is sister to one of the Hezekiah's.

William was a blacksmith.

Stil no more progress today. Hitting a brick wall. :-) David

Dear All

Still no more clues although I still believe that Hezekiah Middleton has a link between the Stanfords and the Ropers. All very much supposition. However with births out of wedlock common but not registered the link may well have some truth in it.

Cheers
David

Thanks Chris.

Family Search

Middletons in 1824 had a mass Baptism for approx 5 children.

Still believe there is this strong link between Ropers and Middletons/Stanfords but Hezekiah and Herbert have got lost in the process.

Cheers
David

Baptism (Find My Past website)
Day:20
Month:Sep
Year:1805
Forename:Hezekiah
Surname:MIDDLETON
Relationship:son of
Parents:Nathan & Matilda
Place:Framlingham
Description:
County:Suffolk
Country:England
Record source:Suffolk Baptism Index
Data provider:Suffolk Family History Society

Chris :)

Day:23
Month:Jan
Year:1803
Groom forenames:Nathan
Groom surname:Middleton
Groom parish:
Groom condition:Matilda
Bride forenames:Underwood
Bride surname:wd
Bride parish:Framlingham
Bride condition:Suffolk
Place:
County:23
Notes:Jan
Record source:Suffolk Marriage Index

Burials
First name(s): Natham
Last name: MIDDLETON
Date of burial 13 Feb 1851
Age at death: 77
Calculated year of birth: 1774
Place of burial Framlingham
Dedication: St Michael
County: Suffolk
Framlingham St Michael:
Denomination: Anglican
Coverage 1560 - 1900

First name(s): Hezekiah
Last name: MIDDLETON
Date of burial 5 Jun 1882
Age at death: 77
Calculated year of birth: 1805
Place of burial Framlingham
Dedication: St Michael
County: Suffolk

First name(s): Dorcas
Last name: STANFORD
Date of burial 17 Feb 1880
Age at death: 63
Calculated year of birth: 1817
Place of burial Framlingham
Dedication: St Michael
County: Suffolk


Day:14
Month:Dec
Year:1824
Groom forenames:Hezekiah
Groom surname:MIDDLETON
Groom parish:Bildeston
Groom condition:s/m
Bride forenames:Myra
Bride surname:BLUMFIELD
Bride parish:otp
Bride condition:s/w
Place:Framlingham
County:Suffolk

Burial
First name(s): Myra
Last name: MIDDLETON
Date of burial 27 Feb 1852
Age at death: 51
Calculated year of birth: 1801
Place of burial Framlingham
Dedication: St Michael
County: Suffolk

DOES THE PLOT THICKEN. 2 Hezekiah Middleton's

One born in 1824 and another in 1806

Hezekiah Middleton 1824 is the twin brother of Dorcas Stanford nee Middleton

parents: Nathan Middleton,? Matilda
name: Dorcas Middleton
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 12 Jan 1824
baptism/christening place: FRAMLINGHAM,SUFFOLK,ENGLAND
father's name: Nathan Middleton
mother's name: Matilda
indexing project (batch) number: C13169-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 952981

parents: Nathan Middleton,? Matilda
name: Hezekiah Middleton
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 12 Jan 1824
baptism/christening place: FRAMLINGHAM,SUFFOLK,ENGLAND
father's name: Nathan Middleton
mother's name: Matilda
indexing project (batch) number: C13169-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 952981

Hezekiah was visiting in Framlingham in 1861

name: Hezekiah Middleton
event: Census
event date: 1861
gender: Male
age: 36
relationship to head of household: Visitor
birthplace: Framlingham
record type: Household
registration district: Plomesgate
sub-district: 2 Framlingham
ecclesiastical parish: Norwich
civil parish: Framlingham
county: Suffolk

Further investigation needed.

David

Hi Astra

Yes all still up in the air.

Interesting re the Hezekiah Middleton which I have also now found with Emma Roper as you did.

Also interesting is that Dorcas Stamford is nee Middleton.

I believe somewhere there is a link between the Stanfords, Ropers and Middletons with Hezekiah and Herbert.

1 Herbert Roper lived with the Stanfords 71 and 81.
2 Hezekiah was a Middleton and worked for Emma Roper, 71 Shopman.
3 Dorcas Stanford nee Middleton could be related to Hezekiah who may have fathered Herbert out of wedlock with a Roper and the Stanfords act as foster parents.
4 Herbert Roper names Hezekiah Roper (Grocer/Shopman) as father on his wedding banns. Herbert given mothers name Roper not Middleton.

Sounds far fetched but in that day and age possible.

A jigsaw puzzle with a few missing pieces. A bit like Upstairs/Downstairs.

However I could be way off the mark. The Ropers are full of intrigue as I have told my wife.

David