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Denburybob
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25 Nov 2012 13:46 |
If anyone has access to the 1930 US Census, I would be most grateful if they could let me know what information there is on Frederick J Cain. Shown in New York City, NY. Birth about 1872, birthplace England. If there is info on the 1920 census I would be pleased to hear about it. I know he left England after the UK 1911 Census.
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MarieCeleste
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25 Nov 2012 13:49 |
1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Frederick J Cain Gender: Male Birth Year: abt 1872 Birthplace: England Race: White Home in 1930: Manhattan, New York, New York Marital Status: Married Immigration Year: 1923 Relation to Head of House: Head Spouse's Name: Helen Cain Father's Birthplace: England Mother's Birthplace: England Occupation: Houseman Education: Military Service: Rent/home value: $40 per month Age at first marriage: 46 Parents' birthplace: England
Household Members: Name Age Frederick J Cain 58 Helen Cain 43 born Scotland, immigration 1927. Age 20 at first marriage. Herbert King 21 - stepson, occupation helper Charles Renny 18 - stepson, a messenger Douglas Renny 14 - stepson Mary A King 62, mother-in-law Alexander King 24, brother-in-law, a painter
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MargaretM
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25 Nov 2012 13:50 |
1930 United States Federal Census about Frederick J Cain Name: Frederick J Cain Gender: Male Birth Year: abt 1872 Birthplace: England Race: White Home in 1930: Manhattan, New York, New York View Map Marital Status: Married Immigration Year: 1923 Relation to Head of House: Head Spouse's Name: Helen Cain Father's Birthplace: England Mother's Birthplace: England Household Members: Name Age Frederick J Cain 58 Helen Cain 43 Herbert King 21 , stepson Charles Renny 18 , stepson Douglas Renny 14 , stepson Mary A King 62 , mother-in-law Alexander King 24 , brother-in-law
All born Scotland except Frederick born England.
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Andrew
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25 Nov 2012 13:53 |
1940 United States Federal Census about Fredinan Cain Name: Fredinan Cain Age: 68 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872 Gender: Male Race: White Birthplace: England Marital Status: Married Relation to Head of House: Head Home in 1940: New York, New York, New York View Map Street: Second Avenue Inferred Residence in 1935: New York, New York, New York Residence in 1935: Same Place Citizenship: Naturalized Sheet Number: 11A Number of Household in Order of Visitation: 234 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Fredinan Cain 68 Helen Cain 54 John Cain 30 Andy
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MarieCeleste
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25 Nov 2012 13:54 |
New York, Naturalization Records, 1897-1944
Name: Frederick James Cain Birth Date: 5 Dec 1874 Birth Place: England - Buckingham Arrival Year: 1923 Naturalization Record Type: Petition for Naturalization Event Date: 14 Sep 1923 Spouse's Name: Helen - still living in Scotland
He arrived on the Leviathan 3 September 1923. His last residence in UK was in Scotland.
He was a laborer now living 427 5th Avenue, NY
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Denburybob
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25 Nov 2012 13:55 |
Blimey, that was quick. Now that's very interesting regarding the Kings in the household, as I think his second wife was Helen King. I can't find what happened to his first wife Elizabeth Pricella something or other. ( I will have to chech FreeBMD for their marriage to see if I can find her maiden name.) Thanks. Bob
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MargaretM
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25 Nov 2012 14:01 |
Alexander King's arrival in USA. He's with mother Mary Ann aged 60. Going to join her daughter Mrs. Ellen Bain?, 1718 2nd. Ave., New york City.
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Alexander King Name: Alexander King Arrival Date: 6 May 1929 Birth Date: abt 1905 Birth Location: Scotland Birth Location Other: aberdeen Age: 24 Gender: Male Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scottish (Scotish) Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland Port of Arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Cameronia Search Ship Database: Search the Cameronia in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
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MarieCeleste
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25 Nov 2012 14:02 |
Bob - you'll see where I've added the relationships on the 1930 that I posted that Ellen King must have previously been married to a Mr Renny and it looks like she had her first son (Herbert) before that marriage.
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MarieCeleste
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25 Nov 2012 14:05 |
Frederick's departure:
Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Transcription
First Name:FREDERICK Last Name:CAIN Title: Age Transcribed:48
Departure Year:1923 Departure Month:8 Departure Day:28 Ship Name:LEVIATHAN Ship Departure Port:SOUTHAMPTON Destination Port:NEW YORK State: Country:USA Destination Place:NEW YORK Destination Place Country:USA Gender:M Marital Status: Occupation:LABOURER Birth Year:1875 UK Address: 55 Gallowgate, Aberdeen
Ship Official Number: Ship Master's First Name:H Ship Master's Surname:HARTLEY Ship Master's Title:CAPT Shipping line:UNITED STATES LINES Departure Port:SOUTHAMPTON Ship Destination Port:NEW YORK Ship Destination Country:USA Ship Square Feet:37186 Ship Registered Tonnage:27696
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Denburybob
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25 Nov 2012 14:05 |
Thank you once again. I have to close down now as I have an urgent appontment with the pub. I will look in again this evening. Bob
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MargaretM
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25 Nov 2012 14:11 |
Helen's arrival in USA. She's with Herbert Jack King, 17 and Douglas Rennie, 9. Relative in Scotland, mother, Mrs Mary Ann King, 48 Upper Denburn, Aberdeen. Going to join husband Frederick Cain, 639 10th. Ave., NY.
New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Helen Cain Name: Helen Cain Arrival Date: 1 Jul 1926 Birth Date: abt 1887 Birth Location: Scotland Birth Location Other: aberdeen Age: 39 Gender: Female Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scottish (Scotish) Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland Port of Arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Caledonia Search Ship Database: Search the Caledonia in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
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MarieCeleste
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25 Nov 2012 14:12 |
Helen's outgoing trip:
Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Name: Helen CAIN Date of departure: 23 June 1926 Port of departure: Glasgow Destination port: New York Destination country: USA
Date of Birth: 1888 (calculated from age) Age: 38 Marital Status: Sex: Female Occupation: H Wife Notes:
Ship: CALEDONIA Official Number: 148878 Master's name: W J Walter Steamship Line: Anchor Where bound: New York, USA Square feet: 3260 Registered tonnage: 10291 Passengers on voyage: 154
Travelling with Herbert King age 16 (a baker) and Douglas Rennie, age 8.
Address 55 Gallowgate, Aberdeen
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MarieCeleste
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25 Nov 2012 14:30 |
Helen's eldest son:
New York, Naturalization Records, 1897-1944 Name: Herbert Jack King Birth Date: 9 Feb 1909 Birth Place: Scotland - Aberdeen Arrival Year: 1926 Naturalization Record Type: Petition for Naturalization Event Date: 25 May 1938
He was a clerk, not married, and living 1720 Second Avenue, NY
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mgnv
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25 Nov 2012 20:41 |
FYI - You can search both the 1930 & 1940 US census (plus other stuff) at: https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_STATES
Here's the 1930 hit "United States Census, 1930," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X42R-342 : accessed 25 Nov 2012), Frederick J Cain, Manhattan (Districts 0501-0750), New York, New York; citing enumeration district (ED) 0743, sheet 15B, family 413, NARA microfilm publication T626, roll 1569.
You can also search 1940 on Ancestry for free right now - both Ancestry & FS presently have free images.
You need a sub for Ancestry's 1930 image, and (unlike 1900/40) it's not free on FS.
Here's the 1930 image - you're best to magnify 4 clicks, then save image. http://archive.org/stream/newyorkcensus00reel1569#page/n195/mode/1up
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Denburybob
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26 Nov 2012 19:46 |
Thanks for all your help. I am still uncertain that this is the Frederick James Cain I am looking for. His 1st wife was Elizabeth Pricella Ladd, who was the mother of his children, but I am unable to find a marriage. Their 1st child, also Frederick was born 1904, and they are all shown in the 1911 census in Ealing. I know that the Ealing connection is correct because I have today spoken to his grand-daughter. Bob
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MargaretM
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26 Nov 2012 20:07 |
I can't find the 1911 census to which you refer?
Edit: OK found them:
1911 England Census about Fredrick James Cain Name: Fredrick James Cain Age in 1911: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871 Birth Place: Slough, Buckinghamshire, England Civil parish: Ealing County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address: 7 Hope Road, West Ealing Marital Status: Married Years Married: 9 Estimated Marriage Year: 1902 Occupation: Labourer Registration district: Brentford Registration District Number: 128 Sub-registration district: Brentford ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Household schedule number: 114 Piece: 6885 Household Members: Name Age Elabeth Constable 50 Charles Constable 18 Fredrick James Cain 40 Elizabeth Pricella Cain 40 Fredrick James Cain 7 Bessie Edith Cain 5 Ada Elen Cain 4 Jim George Cain Under 1 M
The Constable family do not belong with them, Married 9 years, 4 children all still living.
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ArgyllGran
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15 Sep 2013 15:39 |
A later thread about the same family:
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1331521
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