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If anyone can spare some time I'd be really grateful. I'm pretty sure I have the birth, marriage record and death records for my maternal great grandfather but I'll be damned if I can find him on any census. I'm totally stumped and was wondering if anyone could lend a pair of eyes to double check I'm not going nuts.

John Joseph Prince
Born 1892 Kingston
Married Annie BUZZING (I know this one is completely accurate) 1919
Possible death record for 1941 Surrey North Eastern

I have searched through 1901 and 1911 census records but just can't find him. The closest I can find is a John Prince living in Kingston but the age is wrong and a John Prince in Derbyshire with the right year of birth but I'm sceptical as it doesn't seem viable that they would have built up a large farm with staff in such little time of moving there.

Any help would be much appreciated

What was his father's name?

Which site are you using?

As you can't find him on a census, what makes you think he was born where and when you suggest?

Have you also checked using Joseph rather than John

If his father was John James - possible marriage in 1890 Kingston then probably on census using Joseph

Do you only have the BMD references for his possible birth, marriage and death but no certs ?

could this be him
British Army Service Records 1760-1915
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First name(s): John
Last name: PRINCE
Calculated year of birth: 1892
Parish of birth: Kingston
Town of birth: Kingston
County of birth: Surrey
Age at attestation: 14 years 6 months
Attestation date: 19 January 1906
Attestation corps: Welsh Regiment Report transcription error
Attestation soldier number: 8887
Discharge rank:
Discharge corps:
Discharge soldier number:
The National Archives reference: WO97 / 5722 / 69

If his father was John James then he died in 1893

Who does he name on his marriage cert as his father ?

Witnesses ?

I don't know his fathers name, I know he was born in Kingston as one section of my family has kept a family bible but as the princes married into that part John is as far back as it goes.
I have searched using Joseph but as far as I know he only went by John.

And Maddie... yes that does look like it could be him. I have medals which I are from the prince family but I'm not sure who. I wonder if they were his. Thank you v much.......... Although would you be in a welsh regiment if you were not welsh? Is this why I can't find them on the census perhaps if they moved to wales??

Do not go by which regiment someone served in. My grandfather born in London served in the Border Regiment.

Wondering if both parents were dead by 1901 as possible death for a Sarah Prince

Buy his marriage cert........for factual info about his age and his father

Thanks reggie but I'm not made of money haha. If I bought certs for ever single person on my tree the government would make an absolute mint! It might even pay off the national deficit :-D

Not finding a Wallace in 1911 to fit that address

Me neither, the whole lot of them seem dodgy. I have found 2 Prince children in the workhouse school but no reference to any parents, I'm wondering if the parents died and a John fended for himself while his siblings ended up in the workhouse. I'm going to try and find there records and see what they say. I'm intrigued now

Good find for 1901

1911 ?
Name: Fred Wallis
Age in 1911: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Winchester, Southampton
Civil parish: Kingston on Thames
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address: 135 Canbury Park Road, Kingston On Thames Kingston, Surrey
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Gas Stoker
Registration district: Kingston
Registration District Number: 40
Sub-registration district: Kingston
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Household schedule number: 396
Piece: 3517
Household Members: Name Age
Fred Wallis 38
Fanny Wallis 52
Fred Wallis 16
Jack Wallis 12
Charlie Wallis 10
Ida Wallis 8

?? Maybe a link

Marriages Mar 1894 (>99%)
Collop Emily Ethel G Bethnal G. 1c 247
Danaher William Bethnal Green 1c 247
Dunahar William Bethnal G. 1c 247
>>Prince Sarah Bethnal Green 1c 247
>>Wallace George Bethnal G. 1c 247

Did John James marry Sarah Dendy in 1890

Marriages Jun 1890 (>99%)
CANDFIELD Albert Edward Kingston 2a 570
DENDY Sarah Kingston 2a 570
Prince John James Kingston 2a 570
Rappe Emma Ellen Kingston 2a 570
Rapps Emma Ellen Kingston 2a 570

and then he died in 1893 and she re-married into the Wallace family?

PRINCE, John Head Married M 29 1862 Gen Labourer
Kingston, Surrey VIEW
PRINCE, Sarah Wife Married F 27 1864 Laundress
Kingston, Surrey VIEW

Piece: 611 Folio: 36 Page: 18 Registration District: Kingston Civil Parish: Kingston Municipal Borough: Kingston Address: 5, Frederick Place, Kingston County: Surrey

She seems to fit

DENDY, James Head M 32 1839 Surrey VIEW
DENDY, Ann Wife F 31 1840 Surrey VIEW
DENDY, Fanny Daughter F 11 1860 Surrey VIEW
DENDY, Sarah Daughter F 5 1866 Surrey VIEW
DENDY, George Son M 4 1867 Surrey VIEW
DENDY, Edward Son M 3 1868 Surrey VIEW

Piece: 860 Folio: 28 Page: 48 Registration District: Kingston Civil Parish: Kingston Surrey Municipal Borough: Kingston Address: Beer Lane, Kingston Surrey, Kingston County: Surrey

Well I'm back onto the Prince family after a rather lengthy break due to family illness. Just wanted to say alot of thank yous to everyone who looked these up last year and sorry I haven't thanked you all earlier