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David
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16 Sep 2014 12:27 |
Thanks for all the input everyone. Gritty has identified my RCB.
It would seem that my RC Butler is not the same one. Shame.
He was actually sunk twice by torpedo in WWII and survived both incidents. He had some stories to tell!........and a bunch of top medals :)
Interesting anyway.
Thanks again
David (once of Vancouver)
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Gritty
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16 Sep 2014 07:01 |
I think this is the marriage that David (not in Vancouver) is referring to and parents of his mother:
Reginald C Butler Spouse : Agnes A Mustart Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1924 Registration district: Romford Inferred County: Essex Volume Number: 4a Page Number: 1031
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15 Sep 2014 23:27 |
David (the one still in Vancouver!) - as the other David is new to the boards he may not realise you have posted a response, click on his name to send a direct message.
I do hope you get a result. Good luck!
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David
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15 Sep 2014 22:42 |
Hello David. Thanks for your reply. I have few details about my Reginald, other than these: He was christened 31 July 1904 in Scunthorpe. He was the son of Harry Hoskisson Butler and Gertrude Wright. I have never found a record of a marriage or of children. Nor do I have a date for his death, assuming he isn't still around at the age of 110. Same guy? Or a coincidence? Cheers, Dave (still in Vancouver)
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15 Sep 2014 19:50 |
David, this post is a couple of years old so I would suggest clicking on Dave's name and sending him a message that way.
I am sure he would love to hear from you and clear up the mystery of Reginald Butler. I do hope you have success in contacting him as he may not still be a member of genes.
Liz
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David
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15 Sep 2014 17:25 |
Hi Dave
By complete chance I saw your post about Reginald Butler. The guy you are taking about was my Grandfather. He worked for the Silver shipping company and was indeed sunk off Portugal. He survived and lived until 1975 I think. Need to check with my Mother (his daughter) who lives in Fareham, England. He grave is in Colchester.
He had two children, Audrey Agnus Moran (nee Butler), my Mother who is 88 and a son who died early (around 30) and four Grandchildren: James Moran 62, Robert Moran 59, David Moran 56 (me) and John Moran 53.
Let me know if you need any more information and I'll dig it out.
Regards
David ...who lived in Vancouver for a year!
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MarieCeleste
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12 Sep 2012 11:04 |
David probably already has this, but these are the three crew members who lost their lives when the Silverwillow was hit:
MACKAY , Second Engineer Officer, JOHN STRANGEWAYS, M.V. Silverwillow (London). Merchant Navy. 30th October 1942. Age 27. Son of Mr. and Mrs. George Williamson Mackay; husband of Joan Mackay, of Whitley Bay, Northumberland.
MACMANAWAY , Apprentice, JOHN GARDNER, M.V. Silverwillow (London). Merchant Navy. 30th October 1942. Age 19.
MORRISON , Third Officer, PETER, M.V. Silverwillow (London). Merchant Navy. 30th October 1942. Age 22. Son of William Henry Morrison, and of Elizabeth Morrison, of West Denton, Newcastle-on-Tyne
In addition, there was a gunner and two passengers lost.
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Gee
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12 Sep 2012 10:41 |
Due to not being able to find a death fro Reginald Charles Butler, Im starting to think that although he may have survived the U-Boat attack in 1942 (If he did indeed survive)
Then maybe he was killed at sea later and I dont think there would be a death registered if he was.
There are no more births after 1945 for his children so this would possibly fit with him being deceased sometime before 1945
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Chris Ho :)
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12 Sep 2012 10:14 |
lol Gins, wish I could spend a bit more time here, but have to go out shortly, bloomin' nuisance!.
See ya later!.
Chris :)
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Gee
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12 Sep 2012 09:58 |
Chris......since when did me an thee like 'easy'
:-D
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Chris Ho :)
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12 Sep 2012 09:30 |
UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 Name: Reginald C Butler Birth Date: abt 1905 Age: 31 Port of Departure: Montréal, Québec, Canada Arrival Date: 9 May 1936 Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England Ports of Voyage: Montreal Ship Name: Duchess of Atholl Search Ship Database: View the 'Duchess of Atholl' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping Line: Canadian Pacific Official Number: 160505 (just seen the above, Elect. Engr. with wife Norah?, housewife, age 27 going to 39, Hurst Road, Hinckley, Country of last permanent residence as Hong Kong)
(could be getting complicated!!)
Chris :)
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Gee
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12 Sep 2012 08:01 |
Hi Dave
You know when you say 'no luck' with the marriage/death for Reginald...do you mean you cant find either of the records or is there no info on them to help?
Marriages Mar 1937 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Butler Reginald C - Minnie D Van Immerseel Coventry 6d 1383
England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006 Name: Minnie Dimphina Butler Birth Date: 22 Feb 1918 Date of Registration: Apr 2001 Age at Death: 83 Registration district: Coventry Inferred County: Warwickshire Register Number: C69A District and Subdistrict: 0631C Entry number: 215 I cant seem to find a death for Reginald at the moment. The marriage certificate and the death certificate of his wife might hold a clue?
There are also three children born to the couple, the last in 1945. Would be worth getting the birth certificates to check his occupation
You can check the details here for free
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
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Chris Ho :)
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12 Sep 2012 07:18 |
Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960 (Find My Past)
Name: Reginald Charles BUTLER Date of departure: 17 October 1947 Port of departure: Southampton Passenger destination port: Hong Kong, China Passenger destination: Hong Kong, China Date of Birth: 1904 (calculated from age) Age: 43 Marital status: Sex: Male Occupation: Elec Eng Passenger recorded on: Page 2 of 17 Ship: Official Number: Master's name: Steamship Line: Where bound: Square feet: Registered tonnage: Passengers on voyage: CANTON 166555 Captain G S Stable P. & O. Hong Kong, China 16033 561 (last address UK as, 39, Hurst Road, Hinckley)
Name: Reginald Charles BUTLER Date of departure: 20 October 1950 Port of departure: Southampton Passenger destination port: Hong Kong, China Passenger destination: Hong Kong, China Date of Birth: 1904 (calculated from age) Age: 46 Marital status: Sex: Male Occupation: Elec Eng Passenger recorded on: Page 2 of 19 Ship: Official Number: Master's name: Steamship Line: Where bound: Square feet: Registered tonnage: Passengers on voyage: CANTON 166555 Captain G S Stable P. & O. Hong Kong, China 15784 581 (last address UK, (same as one above)
Name: Reginald BUTLER Date of departure: 30 October 1930 Port of departure: London Passenger destination port: Hong Kong, China Passenger destination: Hong Kong, China Date of Birth: 1904 (calculated from age) Age: 26 Marital status: Sex: Male Occupation: Engineer Passenger recorded on: Page 2 of 14 Ship: Official Number: Master's name: Steamship Line: Where bound: Square feet: Registered tonnage: Passengers on voyage: RANCHI 148130 C Brooks Peninsular & Oriental Steam Navigation Co Yokohama, Japan 8849.75 196 (last address UK as, 20, Chandos Street, Nuneaton)
Name: R C BUTLER Date of departure: 17 November 1936 Port of departure: London Passenger destination port: Hong Kong, China Passenger destination: Hong Kong, China Date of Birth: 1904 (calculated from age) Age: 32 Marital status: Married Sex: Male Occupation: Engineer Passenger recorded on: Page 14 of 17 The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: - Mrs BUTLER Page 14 of 17 (age 30) Ship: Official Number: Master's name: Steamship Line: Where bound: Square feet: Registered tonnage: Passengers on voyage: RAJPUTANA 149361 W A Cotching P.& O.S.N.Company Yokohama, Japan 9454.91 389 (last address UK as, 39, Hurst Road, Hinckley, Leics.)
(could be Reginald outgoing?)...
Chris :)
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David
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12 Sep 2012 02:09 |
Thanks to all for the advice. No luck with marriage or death records. I'm intrigued by Gins' discovery on the incoming passenger lists. I'll do some more digging along that line, and will contact the National Archives as well. Could my Reginald have been captain of a ship in 1942, and an electrical engineer returning from Hong Kong in 1945? I suspect there is a fascinating story here somewhere. Cheers, Dave
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alviegal
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7 Sep 2012 21:46 |
What an absolutely fascinating site that is Gins! Never heard of it before but have bookmarked it for future reference.
Liz
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Gee
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7 Sep 2012 08:02 |
UK Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960 Name: Reginald C Butler <<<Electrical Engineer Birth Date: abt 1904 Age: 41 Port of Departure: Hong Kong, China Arrival Date: 9 Nov 1945 Port of Arrival: Southampton, England Ports of Voyage: Bombay [Colombo] [Suez] Ship Name: Highland Monarch Search Ship Database: View the 'Highland Monarch' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping Line: Royal Mail Lines Ltd Official Number: 148158 Going to 13 Dean Road Leicester
Not sure if its your man?
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Gee
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7 Sep 2012 07:56 |
Have you seen this website
http://uboat.net/allies/merchants/crews/person/53388.html
You could also try the National Archives to see if he is listed there
Also his marriage and death certificate might give a clue as to his occupation, might be worth sending for
x
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Chris Ho :)
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7 Sep 2012 07:54 |
Merchant Navy Seamen 1835-1941 (Find My Past)
(not seeing him on above, only a Reginald Charles born 1890 Haslingfield, Cambs., also has photo)
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/navy.asp
(above link for National Archives, Navy, or perhaps contact them)
Chris :)
edits (the above died 1975 Essex)
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David
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7 Sep 2012 02:31 |
Hello all. I've had considerable success in the past when I've been stumped and came to this forum for help and suggestions. I'm hoping that will happen again with my latest puzzler. I recently came across a record of a person who I believe may be a relative. He was Reginald Charles Butler, skipper of the British merchant ship Silverwillow, which was torpedoed off the coast of Portugal by a German U-boat on 30 Oct., 1942, and sunk. Three crew members died, but my possible relative survived and was picked up by a Royal Navy vessel. My Reginald Charles Butler was born on 6 June 1904, in Lincolnshire, which would have made him 38 years old at the time of the sinking, a plausible age for the master of a small merchant ship at the time. I've made some preliminary attempts to find a source of records for Merchant Navy officers at the time, without success. I would like to find some identifying details of the skipper of the Silverwillow so that I can either identify him as my relative or rule him out. Names of parents, date and place of birth, etc. As always, any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Dave in Canada
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