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Vanessa
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20 Nov 2011 18:25 |
I am tracing a new strand . The family I need help with are
1911 Alfred Holland 1866 Lavinia Holland 1880 Lavinia Holland 1900 other sisters- laura/ Violet/Hilda - all born after 1901 census so no real help. Aston, Birmingham
Lavinia 1880 is listed as being from jersey . Married Alfred i believe in 1899 - maiden name Robinson. As a coincidence I have another completely separate strand also from Jersey so have used their OPAC to find info before. No sign of a Lavinia Robinson being born there and no sign of her as Robinson or Holland on any other census.
I can trace Alfred c1864 with his parents Alfred and Hannah back through to 1871 but no sign of him with Lavinia and Lavinia as baby on 1901
Thank you for any help.
Vanessa
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GlitterBaby
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20 Nov 2011 18:30 |
1901 ? Name: Alfred Holland Age: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865 Relation: Son Spouse's Name: Lavenia Holland Father's Name: Alfred Holland Mother's Name: Hannah Holland Gender: Male Where born: Birmingham Civil parish: Aston Ecclesiastical parish: St Catherine County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Aston Sub-registration district: Duddeston ED, institution, or vessel: 43 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 73 Piece: 2872 Folio: 77 Page Number: 12 Household Members: Name Age Alfred Holland 70 Hannah Holland 75 Alfred Holland 36 Lavenia Holland 24 Lavinia Holland 1 Class: RG13; Piece: 2872; Folio: 77; Page: 12
Have you ruled this one out then ?
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Vanessa
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20 Nov 2011 18:33 |
Thanks !!! fast work there ! Does it mention whether she is from Jersey on this entry? I cannot find this entry on this site - is it from elsewhere?
Best wishes Vanessa
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Astra
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20 Nov 2011 18:46 |
1901 says Birmingham and 1911 Jersey
HOLLAND, Alfred Head Married M 45 1866 Gas Stove Fitter Birmingham VIEW HOLLAND, Lavinia Wife Married 12 years F 30 1881 Jersey VIEW HOLLAND, Lavinia Daughter Single F 11 1900 School Birmingham VIEW HOLLAND, Hilda Daughter Single F 9 1902 Birmingham VIEW HOLLAND, Gladys Daughter Single F 8 1903 Birmingham VIEW HOLLAND, Violet Daughter Single F 6 1905 Birmingham VIEW HOLLAND, Laura Daughter Single F 3 1908 Aston Birmingham VIEW
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RG number: RG14 Piece: 18307 Reference: RG14PN18307 RG78PN1102 RD385 SD4 ED38 SN144 Registration District: Aston Sub District: Aston Manor Enumeration District: 38 Parish:
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Vanessa
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20 Nov 2011 21:17 |
Thank you GB and Astra. I really appreciate your time and interest. I wonder on the 1901 census whether Birmingham was an assumption rather than true as Lavinia's place of birth ?? It seems odd that she then has Jersey on 1911 , not somewhere you could easily mistake and of course it was filled in by the household themselves.
I believe she should be appearing on other census with Jersey as POB however as I said she didn't pop up on the Jersey OPAC so ??
Thanks again
Vanessa :-)
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20 Nov 2011 21:25 |
If she was only in Jersey briefly, for example if her father was in the Army, then there would be no reason for her to show up on OPAC.
The baptisms on the site are only for the St Helier C of E churches. There are 11 other parishes plus all the usual denominations, that's assuming she was actually baptized.
I'll have a look in the birth indexes next week.
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Vanessa
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20 Nov 2011 21:34 |
Hi,JL thank you that's very kind. We have been in touch before about a completely separate family , the Perrys from Jersey and you very kindly helped me out.
I have started this new family branch and thought from experience I would be able to track Lavinia myself, however I have been a little thwarted. hopefully with all the wonderful help and advice on here i may crack it. best wishes Vanessa
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Ozibird
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20 Nov 2011 22:29 |
Could this be her?
1891 England Census Name: Lavinia Robinson Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: John Robinson Gender: Female Where born: Birmingham, Staffordshire, England Civil parish: Stockton On Tees Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter Town: Stockton On Tees County/Island: Durham Country: England Street Address: 55 Arlington St
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Registration district: Stockton Sub-registration district: Stockton
Piece: 4047 Folio: 78 Page Number: 11 Household Members: Name Age John Robinson 59 - Foreman Boiler Maker; Whitby William Wales 27 - son-in-law; Boiler Maker Ellen Wales 26 - daughter; Housekeeper; South Stockton Lavinia Robinson 11 Alice M Robinson 10 - North Allerton
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Ozibird
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20 Nov 2011 22:45 |
????? Births Sep 1880 Robinson Alice Guthrie Northallerton 9d 645
Marriages Mar 1891 Daley Daniel Stockton 10a 145 Robinson Sarah Ellen Stockton 10a 145 <<<<< Wales William Stockton 10a 145 <<<<<
Births Dec 1864 Robinson Sarah Ellen Stockton 10a 85
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Vanessa
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21 Nov 2011 07:14 |
Thanks Ozibird, this looks interesting. I did do a search of Lavinia Robinson births and if we go with the Birmingham theory then there is only one birth in JuneQ 1880 that fits. I believe I found the correct death in 1962 for her as Lavinia Holland and she was 82 so I think her year of birth probably was c1880.
Thanks again - going to look at this new info now.
BW Vanessa
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jerseylily
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22 Nov 2011 10:05 |
There is no birth registered for Lavinia Robinson in any of the 12 parishes so the Birmingham birth is looking more likely.
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Vanessa
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22 Nov 2011 19:56 |
Thank you JL, I appreciate your efforts on my behalf. It may be for some reason she came up with Jersey though why I can't think.
I did have another look at the births and census and found an 11 month old "orphan" Lavinia Robinson living with a Samuel Lloyd and his wife Pris(cilla ?) in Wednesbury, district West Bromwich 1881. That Lavinia is listed as born in Wednesbury and ties in with the birth in jun Q 1880 in West Bromwich.- maybe.
Going to look again at the family John Robinson family in 1891 that Ozibird found and see if I can follow them back or forwards to pick up any clues.
Thanks again Vanessa ;-)
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Ozibird
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22 Nov 2011 20:13 |
You need Lavinia's marriage cert for her father's name & occupation.
Marriages Jun 1899 Holland Alfred Birmingham 6d 359 Mountford Minnie Birmingham 6d 359 Robinson Lavinia Birmingham 6d 359 Toddington Edwin Birmingham 6d 359
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Astra
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22 Nov 2011 20:19 |
I have been looking at the Lavinia born in West Bromwich and the one in 1891 with John Robinson but I can't make sense of either of them. The Lavinia with John Holland is not with him in 1881. He is a widower and appears to be a widower in 1871. I suppose there is a chance that he married again and was widowed again . I was trying to find Lavinia and Alice M together somewhere in 1881. I also can't find the Lavinia from West Bromwich in 1891. No death is listed. I looked for a link between the Lloyds and the Robinsons but couldn't find anything to work on. I was trying to figure out if they were the same Lavinia but can't prove it and there does appear to be two different births. It's all very confusing.
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Ozibird
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22 Nov 2011 20:44 |
I've been looking at 1881 (below for reference). It caught my eye that there is a Lavinia living with the Robinson family. Lavinia is not a common name so I just wondered if there was some kind of connection. There are a couple of lusty sons in the Robinson family.
1881 England Census Name: John Robinson Age: 49 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Whitby, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Linthorpe County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address: 33 Gilkes St
Condition as to marriage: Widow
Occupation: Boiler Maker
Registration district: Middlesbrough Sub-registration district: Middlesbrough
Piece: 4857 Folio: 33 Page Number: 15 Household Members: Name Age John Robinson 49 Joseph Robinson 23 - Boiler Maker; Suffolk John Robinson 21 - Boiler Maker; Suffolk Ellen Robinson 16 - House Maid; Stocton Mary Jane Robinson 13 - scholar; Stocton Jane Humphrey 37 - Housekeeper; Marton, Yorkshire John Humphrey 20 William Humphrey 18 Lavina Humphrey 17 <<<<<<<<<<<< Hannah M. Humphrey 16 Louisa Humphrey 15 Sarah Humphrey 13
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Vanessa
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23 Nov 2011 07:07 |
Thank you for these finds. I am going to take some time and go through them. Much appreciated Vanessa x
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David
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20 Jan 2014 21:45 |
Hi My name is David Holland Shanks.I am the great grandson of Lavinia Holland of Aston.I have quite a lot of information if you require it! My grandmother was Gladys Holland. Many thanks David Shanks
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MarieCeleste
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20 Jan 2014 22:28 |
Hello David, welcome to the boards.
As it's a few years since Vanessa last posted she may not be expecting any further replies so not checking back here.
If you click on her name you can contact her by direct message.
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