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I really need some help on my family from wigan as my great grandad / grandmother moved to Barnsley in the 1900s. I've only got back to 1901 on the census with them. They got married in august 1897 in Wigan their names were John Harrison 30 years and Catherine Derbyshire 20 years he was born out of wedlock and her dad was called James Derbyshire because I have the marriage certificate but on the census they call themselves james/kate or Catherine. Catherine also had a son before their marriage called john Derbyshire. They had my grandfather in 1916 he was the youngest of their children and john/James was nearly 50 when he had him so both of them had died before my grandfather got married in the 40s and he died in 95and never talked about them so now I'm really stuck and my father would like to find out something about his grandad and grandmother. Like I said anything before 1901 is a mystery their births etc don't know if thats because they kept changing names. I do know there was family still in wigan in the late 40s because my dad remembers being taken there in the late 40s with his auntie when he was about 5 years old any help would be greatly helpfull.

cheers nici :-)

Spreading it out...............for ease of comprehension

I really need some help on my family from wigan as my great grandad / grandmother moved to Barnsley in the 1900s.

I've only got back to 1901 on the census with them.

They got married in august 1897 in Wigan their names were John Harrison 30 years and Catherine Derbyshire 20 years

he was born out of wedlock and her dad was called James Derbyshire because I have the marriage certificate but on the census they call themselves james/kate or Catherine.

Catherine also had a son before their marriage called john Derbyshire.

They had my grandfather in 1916 he was the youngest of their children and john/James was nearly 50 when he had him so both of them had died before my grandfather got married in the 40s

and he died in 95and never talked about them so now I'm really stuck

and my father would like to find out something about his grandad and grandmother.

Like I said anything before 1901 is a mystery their births etc don't know if thats because they kept changing names.

I do know there was family still in wigan in the late 40s because my dad remembers being taken there in the late 40s with his auntie when he was about 5 years old

any help would be greatly helpfull.

Yeah thanks forgot to put the paragraph's in cheers nici

Where were they living in 1901?

What does the census give for their birthplaces?

OK........found 1901

Name: James Harrison
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Kate Harrison
Gender: Male
Where born: Shenington, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Standish With Langtree
Ecclesiastical parish: Standish St Wilfred
Town: Standish
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Standish
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 246
Piece: 3547
Folio: 83
Page Number: 42
Household Members: Name Age
James Harrison 32
Kate Harrison 24 b. WIGAN
John Derbyshire 7
Timothy Harrison 2
William Cluck 52

What was the occupation given for Catherine's father on the marriage certificate?

Kath. x

I've seen the census on here but don't know how to show it they are in Barnsley called James and Catherine harrison then Sorry not much help so new to this.

Birthplace incorrectly transcribed in1901 - Shenington is Oxon

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1871

Name: John Harrison
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Shevington, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Standish
Town: Standish
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Standish
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 90
Piece: 3881
Folio: 13
Page Number: 20
Household Members: Name Age
John Cosgrave 49
Mary Harrison 16
John Harrison 5

Im sorry about the chat one thought this was a different one Catherine's father is a collier but he his dead by then
Cheers nici

1911 for reference:




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HARRISON, James Head Married M 44 1867 Coal Miner Standish VIEW
DERBYSHIRE, John Son Single M 17 1894 Glass Hand Wigan VIEW
HARRISON, Catherine Married 12 years F 34 1877 Wigan VIEW
HARRISON, Thimothy Son M 12 1899 School Standish VIEW
HARRISON, Margret Daughter F 10 1901 School Standish VIEW
HARRISON, Mary A Daughter F 8 1903 School Wigan VIEW
HARRISON, James Son M 3 1908 Barnsley VIEW
HARRISON, Jessie Daughter F 1 1910 Barnsley VIEW
WILLAMS, Chris Boarder Single M 42 1869 Labourer On Railway Barnsley VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
27588 Reference:
RG14PN27588 RD507 SD2 ED29 SN220

Registration District:
Barnsley Sub District:
Barnsley Enumeration District:
29 Parish:
Barnsley

Address:
42 Joseph Street Barnsley County:
Yorkshire (West riding)


Dea x

Nici

As you are fairly new to this, you really should read the guidelines for posting.

The golden rule is ONE post per topic.

So is Catherine's husband called John or James? I am confused as you say in your original post his name is John but in the 1911 census it seems to be James.

Kath. x

As I say I'm sorry again I thought they were seperate ones :-(

Marriages Sep 1897 (>99%)
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Charnock William Wigan 8c 117
DERBYSHIRE Catherine Wigan 8c 117
HARRISON John Wigan 8c 117
Nolan Mary Ellen Wigan 8c 117

Hi kath

I'm confused too on there wedding certificate it says john but on census says james and she uses kate on 1901 and she uses catherine in 1911 :-S nic

Who witnessed the marriage?

Kate is a normal diminutive for Catherine....think of Prince William's wife!

Hi fick

The witnesses are Thomas Duckworth and Esther Duckworth and when I looked at the 1901 census they were living with them also there were some more harrisons living next door to them

On the 1911 census he definitely signs his name as James and Catherine is first written down as widow and then crossed out and put married. She is also down as daughter then crossed out and put as wife.

I think they were all a bit confused!!

Kath. x

Hi they were not dead my grandad born 1916 called William Harrison also his elder brother Albert Harrison in 1912