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17 Aug 2011 10:43 |
My wife is related to the Barhams of Rye in Sussex (her grandmother was Mary Saunders (Nee Barham 1873 - 1964).
On the Rye War Memorial is this: Mrs Matilda Jane Barham, Civilian, died Havelock Villas 10/02/1943, widow of Mr James Barham. Aged 80.
Matilda was killed when a bomb destroyed their house; my wife's mother used to visit Matilda before the last war. Matilda must have been born c1863.
I can't find any reference to a James Barham marrying a Matilda (which must have been about 1885??). Does anyone have any information about this Matilda and the James who she married?
PS. I think I have just about all the Barhams around Rye during that period (a lot of them so I can't be sure I have them all). I have a James Barham married to Adeline Jane Axell in 1884, but she was born 1853, so it can't be her, can it?
Any help, I should be pleased to receive
Chris :-)
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Lynski
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17 Aug 2011 10:49 |
How about this????
Births Mar 1863 (>99%) AXELL Matilda Jane Rye 2b 4
Married using her middle name???
Marriages Sep 1884 (>99%) Axell Jane Rye 2b 9 Barham James Rye 2b 9
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17 Aug 2011 10:55 |
1911 census -
BARHAM, James Head Married M 47 1864 Engine Driver On Boat Playden Sussex VIEW BARHAM, Jane Wife Married 28 years F 47 1864 Rye Sussex VIEW BARHAM, Agnes Daughter Single F 21 1890 General Servant Rye Sussex VIEW BARHAM, Sarah Daughter Single F 19 1892 General Servant Rye Sussex VIEW BARHAM, Edith Daughter F 15 1896 Clerks Assistant Rye Sussex VIEW BARHAM, Florence Daughter F 12 1899 School Rye Sussex VIEW BARHAM, Eva Daughter M 10 1901 School Rye Sussex VIEW BARHAM, Elsie Daughter F 5 1906 Rye Sussex VIEW
RG number: RG14 Piece: 4696 Reference: RG14PN4696 RG78PN200 RD68 SD1 ED6 SN12 Registration District: Rye Sub District: Rye Enumeration District: 6 Parish: Rye Address: 2 Swiss Cottages Winchelsea Road Rye County: Sussex
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Lynski
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17 Aug 2011 10:56 |
1911 original census states 11 children born, 2 died.
Does this look like your family in 1911??
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17 Aug 2011 10:57 |
England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005 about Matilda J Barham Name: Matilda J Barham Birth Date: abt 1863 Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1943 Age at Death: 80 Registration district: Battle Inferred County: Sussex Volume: 2b Page: 123
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17 Aug 2011 10:58 |
1901 census -
BARHAM, James Head Married M 35 1866 Engine Driver Summer General Labourer Winter Playden Sussex VIEW BARHAM, Jane Wife Married F 36 1865 Rye Sussex BARHAM, Jane Daughter Single F 16 1885 Housemaid Domestic Rye Sussex VIEW BARHAM, James Son Single M 14 1887 Rye Sussex VIEW BARHAM, Bessie Daughter Single F 12 1889 Rye Sussex VIEW BARHAM, Agnes Daughter Single F 10 1891 Rye Sussex VIEW BARHAM, Sarah Daughter Single F 8 1893 Rye Sussex VIEW BARHAM, Edith Daughter Single F 4 1897 Rye Sussex VIEW BARHAM, Florence Daughter Single F 1 1900 Rye Sussex VIEW
RG number: RG13 Piece: 859 Folio: 80 Page: 10 Registration District: Rye Sub District: Rye Enumeration District: 6 Ecclesiastical Parish: Rye St Mary's Civil Parish: Rye Municipal Borough: Address: Winchelsea Road, Rye County: Sussex
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17 Aug 2011 10:58 |
It seems she preferred her middle name Jane.........???
1901 England Census about Jane Barham Name: Jane Barham Age: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: James Barham Gender: Female Where born: Rye, Sussex, England Civil parish: Rye Ecclesiastical parish: Rye St Marys Town: Rye County/Island: Sussex Country: England Household Members: Name Age James Barham 35 Jane Barham 36 Jane Barham 16 James Barham 14 Bessie Barham 12 Agnes Barham 10 Sarah Barham 8 Edith Barham 4 Florence Barham 1
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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17 Aug 2011 10:59 |
according to the index she was just Jane Axell
born 1863 she could have married in 1884
Marriages Sep 1884 Axell Jane Rye 2b 9 Barham James Rye 2b 9
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17 Aug 2011 10:59 |
1891 census -
BARHAM, Jane Wife Married F 25 1866 Rye Sussex BARHAM, Jane Daughter F 6 1885 Scholar Rye Sussex VIEW BARHAM, James Son M 5 1886 Scholar Rye Sussex VIEW BARHAM, Bessie Daughter F 3 1888 Rye Sussex VIEW BARHAM, Agnes A Daughter F 1 1890 Rye Sussex VIEW
RG number: RG12 Piece: 756 Folio: 41 Page: 23 Registration District: Rye Sub District: Rye Enumeration District: 3 Ecclesiastical Parish: Rye Civil Parish: Rye Municipal Borough: Rye Address: Strand, Rye County: Sussex
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17 Aug 2011 11:02 |
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Household:1881
Charles AXALL Head M Male 60 Worcester, Worcester, England Cordwainer Mary AXALL Wife M Female 53 Wrentham, Suffolk, England Cordwainer Wife Matilda AXALL Daur U Female 16 Folkestone, Kent, England Dressmaker
Dwelling 18 Queens St C P Census Place Folkestone, Kent, England
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matilda Axall -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: 25 DEC 1864 Christ Church, Folkestone, Kent, England Parents: Father: Charles Axall Mother: Mary
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Lynski
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17 Aug 2011 11:02 |
1871 census -
AXELL, Edward Head M 45 1826 Sussex VIEW AXELL, Mary Ann Wife F 42 1829 Sussex VIEW AXELL, Mary Ann Daughter F 21 1850 Sussex VIEW AXELL, William Son M 19 1852 Sussex VIEW AXELL, Louisa Daughter F 10 1861 Sussex VIEW AXELL, Sydney Son M 13 1858 Sussex VIEW AXELL, Jane Daughter F 8 1863 Sussex VIEW AXELL, Marion Daughter F 6 1865 Sussex VIEW AXELL, John H Son M 3 1868 Sussex VIEW AXELL, Fanny Daughter F 2 1869 Sussex VIEW AXELL, Edward Son M 2 1869 Sussex VIEW AXELL, Charles H Son M 1 1870 Sussex VIEW AXELL, Albert A Son M 0 1871 Sussex VIEW
RG number: RG10 Piece: 1023 Folio: 23 Page: 5 Registration District: Rye Sub District: Rye Enumeration District: 2 Ecclesiastical Parish: Civil Parish: Rye Municipal Borough: Rye Address: Mermaid Street, Rye County: Sussex
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17 Aug 2011 11:07 |
Thanks for this. I have this census information. I think it relates to James Barham ( son of James Barham & Louisa Wood). He married an Adeline Jane Axell daughter of John Axell & Louisa Packham. Is there another Axell daughter & James Barham?
I have Adeline's sister Matilda Martha Axell marrying a William Osborne
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17 Aug 2011 11:15 |
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Household:1881
Thomas W. COLLARD Head M Male 49 Canterbury, Kent, England Miller Charlotte COLLARD Wife M Female 53 Hastings, Sussex, England Charles E. COLLARD Brother U Male 47 Canterbury, Kent, England Miller Emily BURT Servt U Female 20 Brookland, Kent, England Servt Domesc John MORRIS Baker U Male 19 Ore, Sussex, England Baker >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James BARHAM Carter U Male 17 Playden, Sussex, England Carter
Census Place Wittersham, Kent, England
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17 Aug 2011 12:10 |
Thanks for all this - using all the clues I've found her!!!
Matilda Jane Axell (1863) is the daughter of Edward Axell & Mary Miller. Edward was the brother of John Axell who was the father of Matilda Martha Axell (1850).
So thanks to you all for helping to solve that problem
Cheers!!!
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Valerie
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15 Nov 2014 15:23 |
Matilida Jane Axell was the daughter of Edward and Mary Axell; she was baptised on 30 March 1863 in Rye. Sadly she died and was buried on 7 April 1863 age 2 months. (Death registered June 1863 Rye).
Edward and Mary's next daughter was Jane and her birth was registered as "Exall" June 1864 Rye. On the 1881 census she was listed as "Mary Jane Exall"! Jane Axell married James Barham on 31 August 1884 in Rye. Their fathers were Edward Axell and Edgar Barham.
I would guess at some point Jane's birth certificate was looked for and the one for Matilda Jane was found instead.
Adeline Jane Axell married Charles Crosskey on 14 June 1875, registered June 1975 Woolwich.
Valerie
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