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I have just picked this link up,
The Family are in my tree,
Unfortunatly the name changes from census to census

Started as Mander, then Manders then Maunder, Maunders, most that family were working on Farms and signed with a cross, on documents,

The marrage of Charles Manders and Rachel* Tomkins, 6.1884 Brentford Area,

Was miss spelt Tompkins, this is my mothers family name, and a great aunt to myself
And the Reg name is not always the same as there later name often the middle name comes out later,

Also some of the family forgot to register biths,

My tree

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=pabaggs&id=I60935

The WWI record has been digitised and the original is available at NAA RecordSearch. It definitely says 24 and 9/12 (9 months).

Yes I can't see why he would lie about that, or about his father's name or place of birth. Very odd.

It will be interesting to see what age he gives on his marriage cert. I notice he was 68 when he died in 1960, so still strange.

:-)

Typo..21 or 24.

I have the service details but am awaiting the originals. What was the enlistment age for WW1? I doubt it would have been necessary to lie about his age at that point., he was either 21 or 23. The date of birth stands on several of his personal documents but adoption can't be ruled out as a possibilty. Which is why i am trying to track parents and relocation from England to Australia. So far the information I have received is what I have already located (With the exception of the Manders-Tomkings lead). I can't get a solid link between possible parents. I am also awaiting marriage certificate.
Thanks for your help.

There is a Herbert E. Maunders b. c1869 in the 1881 census with his parents, in Surrey.

???

Since Robert filled out the enlistment, and an informant the death cert, I'd be more inclined to believe the enlistment - though of course now we know we told porkies about his age in the WWII one! :-)

Do you have his marriage certificate?

Here's WWI

MAUNDER Robert Herbert : Service Number - 1319 : Place of Birth - London England : Place of Enlistment - Perth WA : Next of Kin - (Father) MAUNDER Herbert Edward

He enlisted July 1915 aged 24 and 9 months, a horse trainer, b. Hounslow, England. Father Herbert Edward Maunder, of Hounslow, England.

This makes him born Oct/Nov 1890.

FYI

MAUNDERS ROBERT HERBERT : Service Number - W85706 : Date of birth - 17 Nov 1893 : Place of birth - HOUNSLOW ENGLAND : Place of enlistment - MANJIMUP WA : Next of Kin - MAUNDERS AZUBAH

He could have been adopted, or he could have changed his name, and/or lied about his date of birth in order to enlist (the above is WWII).

Who said his date of birth is 17/11/1893?
Did he want to appear older than his wife and so added a year or three?
If there are different names for his father on military records and death records, then he could have invented both.

Thanks everyone,
Yes I am finding a lot of "hiccups". The most likely matches by name tend not to match for date and i am still confused as to why i can't find a birth record for Robert Herbert Maunders when I have a solid DOB. 17/11/1893.

According to FreeBMD they have Charles surname spelt as MANDERS


Marriages Jun 1884 (>99%)
Joyce James John Brentford 3a 154
>>>MANDERS Charles Brentford 3a 154
Pimley Sophia Ann Brentford 3a 154
>>>Tomkings Rachel Brentford 3a 154
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heres the Births for Rose & Charles....not sure why theres 2 for a Charles it could be that there was 2 born in that area......but can't see 1 for Robert

Births Jun 1887 (>99%)
Manders Rose Ellen Brentford 3a 66

Births Jun 1888 (>99%)
MANDERS Charles Frederick Brentford 3a 74

Births Mar 1889 (>99%)
Manders Charles Frederick Brentford 3a 50

Andrew , the banns info looks the most promising so far. Excellent thank you. I have come across Rachel Maunders before but no mention of a son called Robert in the census. I will follow up the Manders/Tomkings lead.

Bobbie

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Charles Manders Name: Charles Manders
Age: Full Age
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Spouse Name: Rachel Tomkings
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 02 Jun 1884
Parish: St Philip and St James, Whitton
County: Middlesex
Borough: Richmond Upon Thames
Father Name: John Manders
Spouse Father Name: Frederick Tomkings

Andy

1901 census - household transcription
Person: MAUNDERS, Rachel
Address: Lands End Cottage, Stanwell Road, East Bedfont, Bedfont


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MANDERS, Charles Head Married M 38 1863 Waggoner On Farm
Bedfont
Middlesex VIEW
MAUNDERS, Rachel Wife Married F 36 1865
Hounslow
Middlesex VIEW
MAUNDERS, Rose Daughter Single F 13 1888
Hounslow
Middlesex VIEW
MAUNDERS, Charles Son Single M 12 1889
Hounslow
Middlesex VIEW

Possible mothers death?

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Deaths Jun 1909 (>99%)
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MAUNDERS Rachel 47 Staines 3a 8


Andy

His name is Robert Herbert Maunders.

Is he Robert HERBERT Or Robert HENRY you state both second names for him

Born 1893 his birth should be registered

Thanks Ann Of Green Gables, i have spent many hours on the census docs but the dates, family members aren't adding up. I'm awaiting my grandad's death certificate, and full service records to try and shed light. Robert ,Francis and Herbert were popular names in the Maunders clan so i am running up some very blind alleys.

Bobbie

Charles Maunders
England and Wales Census, 1911

birth: Hounslow, Middlesex
residence: 1911 —Stanwell, Stanwell, Middlesex, England
census: 1911 —Stanwell, Stanwell, Middlesex, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1911
name: Charles Maunders
event: Census
event date: 1911
gender: Male
age: 21
birthplace: Hounslow, Middlesex
record type: Household
registration district: Staines
sub-district: Staines
parish: Stanwell
county: Middlesex

Rose Maunders
England and Wales Census, 1901

birth: 1888 —Hounslow, Middlesex
residence: 31 Mar 1901 —East Bedfont, Middlesex, England
census: 31 Mar 1901 —East Bedfont, Middlesex, England



Charles Maunders
England and Wales Census, 1901

birth: 1889 —Hounslow, Middlesex
residence: 31 Mar 1901 —East Bedfont, Middlesex, England
census: 31 Mar 1901 —East Bedfont, Middlesex, England

found these two

John H Maunders
England and Wales Census, 1901

birth: 1893 —Hackney, London
residence: 31 Mar 1901 —Hackney, London, Middlesex, England
census: 31 Mar 1901 —Hackney, London, Middlesex, England



Francis H Maunders
England and Wales Census, 1901

birth: 1894 —Paddington, London
residence: 31 Mar 1901 —Paddington, London, Middlesex, England
census: 31 Mar 1901 —Paddington, London, Middlesex, England