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Hi MC.
Thanks for reply,please refer to my message I sent at12.24 re:- John Gordon.I wasn't quite sure if these messages were meant just for you or not,so I sent a message to you via the "send message" way, instead of this way. However,when I checked the sent,your message did not appear,so I assume that you never received it.
Regards,
Peter.

1911:

VAUGHAN, Noah Head Married M 64 1847 Blacksmiths Laberour Garway
VAUGHAN, Elizabeth Annie Wife Married F 39 1872 Osbaston Nr Monmouth
VAUGHAN, Fred Son M 7 1904 Llangattock V A
VAUGHAN, Archibald R N Son M 3 1908 Llangattock V A
VAUGHAN, Elsie R M Daughter F 0 (6 MONTHS) 1911 Llangattock V A
VAUGHAN, John C W Gordan Son Single M 20 1891 Estate Laberour Wilmington Deleware U S America

Registration District: Monmouth
Sub District: Trelleck
Enumeration District: 6
Parish: Llangattock Vibon Avel

Address: Pool Cottage Newcastle Monmouth
County: Monmouthshire

John has been incorrectly transcribed as Vaughan (have submitted correction). But, not it's spelled with an A as in the 1901.

Is this his other family in 1901?

VAUGHAN, Noah Head Married M 55 1846 Cattleman On Estate Broad Oak Gloucestershire
VAUGHAN, Elizabeth Wife Married F 30 1871 Monmouth
GORDAN, John Step Son Single M 10 1891 United States of America F S
GORDAN, Elizabeth Step Daughter F 8 1893 Newcastle Monmouthshire
GORDAN, Nellie Step Daughter F 6 1895 Newcastle Monmouthshire
GORDAN, Alfred Step Son M 3 1898 Newcastle Monmouthshire

Registration District: Monmouth
Sub District: Trelleck
Enumeration District: 27
Ecclesiastical Parish: Llangattock Vibon Avel St Cadoc
Civil Parish: Llangattock Vibon Avel

Address: Near Newcastle, Llangattock Vibon Avel
County: Monmouthshire
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Noah & Elizabeth's marriage:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1901
Kidley Elizabeth Monmouth 11a 53
Vaughan Noah Monmouth 11a 53

** Did she marry Noah on the rebound?

Hello Peter, just to point out that the 1901 census I posted shows age and year of birth after the marital status - it wasn't until the 1911 census that they actually started recording the number of years married, and that was only shown on the entry for the wife.

Was John Gordon a bigamist, or just a philanderer? ;-)

No, we're not related or connected in any way. The people who help on here just like helping others out!

F>A.O:- MarieCeleste,Ozibird & Jonesay
If I can explain why this research for John Gordon has been so dificult was because in theearlier stages I did not realise that he was running two families! one in England & one in Wales.
English family:- J.G. Kitty(real name Annie Louisa) Pansy(1897) Violet(1898) Jack(1900) Bertha(1902)
Welsh family:- J.G. Elizabeth Kidley John(1890) Elizabeth(1892)Nellie(1894) Alfred(1897).Once again,my apologies for the confusion over the birth cert. for J.G. and to say thanks again for all your help,which is much appreciated.
Regards,
Peter White.

Peter,

Forgive me for being critical but in your opening post (At 20:59 20/7/2011) you made these statements:

"Appears on 1901 census,which is the only real evidence I have"

"I have still not managed to find any birth,marriage or death cert.!"

Now you state (At 22:52 20/7/2011):

"Regarding J.G's birth,I have actually got the birth cert, (11/07/1869) and the 1871 census."

In fairness to those who are prepared to freely give of their time and resources to try to assist you it is imperative that you do not make statements that are later proved to be false.

Why did you say initially that you hadn't got something that you now state that you have?

Dear Marie,
I am still in shock!! just can't believe that this looks like the break-through I have been looking for. for the last six years. Your box 1 was from the 1901 census( except that the marriage dates are in fact the birth dates). Regarding J.G's birth,I have actually got the birth cert, (11/07/1869) and the 1871 census.For some reason I did'nt connect with the birth cert. at the time.Jack Gordon(1900) was my Dad!
The story is a long,twisted one but I will give you the details tomorrow.
Regarding the passage to the states,all the details you provided seem to slot into place,I presume that Pensey was Pansy? I did trawl through the passenger lists,found a couple of J.G's but not the right ones!!By the way,my dad changed his name to White at some stage.More tomorrow and thanks for your help.
Regards,
Peter White
P.S. Are we related in any way?

I've been following that track, Jonesey. And this could connect her to John Gordon, but why would she say born Micheldever in 1901.

1891 England Census
Name: Catherine Treywat [Treagust on image]
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Bedhampton, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Croydon
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Croydon
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: Housemaid

Registration district: Croydon
Sub-registration district: Croydon

I agree MC but nothing much else to do right now ;-)

I just wonder:

Marriages Jun 1894 (>99%)
Gordon John Langstone Havant 2b 765
Treagust Kate Caroline Havant 2b 765

Name: Catherine Kate Treagust
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1874
Registration district: Havant
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 406

Would be useful if Peter came back to acknowledge whether we're on the right track.

Name: Kitty Gordon
Birth Date: abt 1875
Age: 23
Port of Departure: Boston, Massachusetts, United States
Arrival Date: 16 Jan 1898
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Canada
Search Ship Database: View the 'Canada' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Dominion Line
Official Number: 106806

John and Pansy (Aged 6 months) were travelling with her.

A copy of Pansy's birth certificate will indicate her mothers maiden name which may then help to find her parents marriage. Info from that hopefully will give you John Gordon's fathers name and occupation.

Births Sep 1897 (>99%)
Gordon Pansy Wandsworth 1d 813

Here's the chap I found in the 1901 off to the USA:

Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Name: John GORDON
Date of departure: 25 September 1897
Port of departure: Southampton
Destination port: New York
Destination country: USA
Date of Birth: 1866 (calculated from age)
Age: 31
Marital Status: Married
Sex: Male
Occupation: Gardener
Notes:
Passenger recorded on: Page 7 of 23
The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -
Kitty GORDON
Pensey GORDON
Ship: ST PAUL
Official Number:
Master's name: J C Jamison
Steamship Line:
Where bound: New York, USA
Square feet: 16230
Registered tonnage: 5874
Passengers on voyage: 1110

?????

1871 England Census
Name: John Gordon
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Father's name: Henry Gordon
Mother's name: Catherine Gordon
Gender: Male
Where born: Croydon, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Croydon
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Croydon
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address: Southbridge Road

Registration district: Croydon
Sub-registration district: Croydon
Piece: 840
Folio: 104
Page Number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Gordon 34 - Tailor; Ireland
Catherine Gordon 25 - Rag Sorter; Ireland
Thomas Gordon 5 Months (the months seems to have been crossed out)
Mary Gordon 2
John Gordon 2


???
Marriages Jun 1864
Gordon Henry Croydon 2a 330
Sullivan Catherine Croydon 2a 330

Was this him?

GORDON, John Head Married M 34 1867 Gardener Mitcham Surrey
GORDON, Kitty Wife Married F 26 1875 Micheldever Hampshire
GORDON, Pansy Daughter F 3 1898 Clapham London
GORDON, Violet Daughter F 2 1899 Wootton Hampshire
GORDON, Jack Son M 1 1900 Camberwell London

Registration District: St Saviour Southwark
Sub District: St Peter Walworth
Enumeration District: 9
Ecclesiastical Parish: All Souls
Civil Parish: Newington

Address: 193, Beresford Street, Newington County: London

Hello Peter, where was he in 1901, and who with?

Do you know when he went to America, and when he returned?

Do you know anything else, like his parents - or is that what you're trying to find?

Which of his children is your direct ancestor?

Am still trying to trace my grandfather,John Gordon,d.o.b.1867 at Mitcham Surrey.Appears on 1901 census,which is the only real evidence I have,apart from knowing that he had connections with the Kidley family in Llangattock,Monmouthshire. and that he spent some time in America.Despite all the normal channels of research I have still not managed to find any birth,marriage or death cert.! If this rings a bell with anybody.I really would like to make contact.
Thank you,
Peter White.