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Chris
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27 Jan 2014 01:57 |
I have only just come back to GenesReunited, and found the posts for Adelaide Rebekah P, Parke 1876 - ???? I am researching my son's Godfather's tree, and Adelaide was his Maternal Grandfather's 1st wife. His Grandfather was Henry Reginald Stanley Van Ryck De Groot,, )sometimes used Stanley first), had at least 3 wives. If anyone can give me some clues to when Adalaide died and about anything to do with his other two wives, Ivy Celia Freeman, and Marion Vera Helen Bottrell nee Davis, I would love to hear from you. Many thanks, Chris
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Janet
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20 May 2011 17:39 |
Adelaides parent's are William Parke and Rebecca Page
i am still searching but not finding much
Cant see a passage for her out to Africa, perhaps she died out there between 1894 and 1902 and then he hooked up with the colourful Ivy after
Typical isn't it that Adelaide is the one I am most interested in of the 3 and the only one I can't find
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JaneyCanuck
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20 May 2011 17:34 |
Any chance this could be Adelaide's death in NSW?
556/1937 PORTER ADELAIDE REBECCA father ROBERT WILLIAM mother REBECCA REDFERN
Our Adelaide shows with parents William and Rebecca in the 1891 census.
No, ruled her out too; born Rolfe, 1871, in Redfern.
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JaneyCanuck
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20 May 2011 17:28 |
Just for the record, the correct spelling for Adelaide:
Births Dec 1876 Parke Adelaide Rebekah Hartismere 4a 590
Marriages Sep 1894 Parke Adelaide Rebekah Depwade 4b 451 De Groot Stanley Henry R V R Depwade 4b 451
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Janet
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20 May 2011 17:24 |
yes definitely the right pair
Maybe the obit is slightly incorrect in that they didnt marry in Aus (they just went there for a time after)
You may well be right with the Adelaide, however does that not open up a can of bigamy worms ? or perhaps he could afford a divorce !
Edit No no news of Adelaide
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JaneyCanuck
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20 May 2011 17:21 |
1911
LIVICK ADELAIDE 1876 35 Norwich Norfolk LIVICK EVELYN 1906 5
so maybe not. This is Evelyn:
Births Dec 1905 Livick Evelyn May Marylebone 1a 488
so that probably rules out that wild guess. ;) Yes, she's Adelaide R Levick, unmarried, in 1901.
So no news of Adelaide still.
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JaneyCanuck
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20 May 2011 17:14 |
The only death in England I can see as possible for Adelaide is
Name: Adelaide R Livick Birth Date: abt 1877 Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1963 -- i.e. not yet turned 87 Age at Death: 86 Registration district: Norwich Registration County: Norfolk Volume: 4b Page: 952
It seems a perfect match for age and place.
There's no birth of an Adelaide Livick or marriage of an Adelaide to a Livick in England/Wales.
Surely the Marion marriage and death Flick found are the right ones?
You're welcome!
If you happen to want the SA records, you can search around at the archives site for contact information for the particular archive sites and enquire there how to obtain them. It can be a little complicated, I know from experience. ;)
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Janet
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20 May 2011 17:08 |
I am here, one of my sons just landed a lift on me !!
his obit says he married the widow of a Dr Bottrell in Sydney in 1930 and she survives him (that'll be the c/o Australia bank then)
and he was born in november 1866 in Georgetown British Guyana
Sounds like he had an interesting life too
many thanks Janey and Flick
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JaneyCanuck
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20 May 2011 17:03 |
This is him travelling to SA, the only match I see for surname Groot (or ryck) 1890-1911
GROOT Van Rych De (dob)Unknown M 1901 Southampton South Africa Cape
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JaneyCanuck
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20 May 2011 16:56 |
Ivy led an interesting life.
DEPOT NAB SOURCE RSC TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 1/5/391 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE I49/1931 PART 1 DESCRIPTION ILLIQUID CASE. DIVORCE. WILLIAM HENRY GREEN VERSUS IVY CELIA GREEN (FORMERLY DE GROOT, BORN FREEMAN). STARTING 19310000 ENDING 19310000
After Green divorced her in 1931 she must have reverted to her first married name (it was she who divorced Van Ryck de Groot), since she died under that name in 1954-56.
Any thoughts, Janet?
oops, there you were!
Nothing in the SA database for
adelaide ryck groot
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Janet
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20 May 2011 16:55 |
Thanks for this info
have been registering on bmj site as I have found an obit for him on there whilst waiting but not read it yet !
no sign of Adelaide ? I'll keep looking
Many Thanks Jan
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JaneyCanuck
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20 May 2011 16:51 |
The divorce (same source)
DEPOT NAB SOURCE RSC TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 1/5/267 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 13/1911 PART 1 DESCRIPTION ILLIQUID CASE. DIVORCE. IVY CELIA VAN RYCK DE GROOT (BORN FREEMAN) DULY ASSISTED BY HER CURATOR AD LITEM DAVID FORBES FORSYTH VERSUS STANLEY HENRY REGINALD VAN RYCK DE GROOT. STARTING 19110000 ENDING 19110000
In 1911 -- she had a curator so may have been under a disability, relating either to health or to age.
The one other record in those archives for the surname:
DEPOT NAB SOURCE NDR TYPE LEER VOLUME_NO 5/15 SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE V 795/1911 PART 1 DESCRIPTION OFFICER COMMANDING, NATAL MEDICAL CORPS: CAPTAIN S VAN RYCK DE GROOT, NATAL MEDICAL CORPS, RESIGNS HIS COMMISSION. STARTING 1911 ENDING 1911 REMARKS PMO 70/1911.
I wonder whether he resigned for reasons having to do with the divorce the same year.
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JaneyCanuck
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20 May 2011 16:50 |
This is the only death with his surname in England/Wales after 1916
Name: Alice B Van Ryck De Grott Birth Date: abt 1849 Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1940 Age at Death: 91 Registration district: Wantage Registration County: Berkshire Volume: 2c Page: 784
Aha, here is Ivy's death.
http://www.national.archsrch.gov.za
All Archives Repositories and National Registers of non-public records
Search National Automated Archival Information Retrieval System
DEPOT NAB SOURCE MSCE TYPE LEER SYSTEM 01 REFERENCE 1445/1964 PART 1 DESCRIPTION VAN RYCK DE GROOT, IVY CELIA. BORN FREEMAN. BORN IN PIETERMARITZBURG, NATAL. DIVORCED. DECEASED ESTATE. STARTING 19640000 ENDING 19660000
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Flick
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20 May 2011 16:47 |
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Name: Marion Vera Bottrell Birth Date: 1891 Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1969 Age at Death: 78 Registration district: Acle Registration County: Norfolk Volume: 4b Page: 1139 __________________________________________________
Name: Marion V H Bottrell Spouse Surname: Van Ryck De Groot Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1927 Registration district: St Columb Registration county (inferred): Cornwall Volume Number: 5c Page Number: 146 Find Spouse: Find Spouse
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Flick
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20 May 2011 16:45 |
Name: Henry R S Bottrell Birth Date: abt 1867 Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1956 Age at Death: 89 Registration district: Yarmouth Registration County: Norfolk Volume: 4b Page: 443
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JaneyCanuck
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20 May 2011 16:44 |
Name: Henry R S Bottrell Birth Date: abt 1867 Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1956 Age at Death: 89 Registration district: Yarmouth Registration County: Norfolk Volume: 4b Page: 443
from Ancestry
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Janet
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20 May 2011 16:37 |
Good afternoon, need some help
Adelaide Parke married a Stanley Henry Reginald Van Ryck de Groot on 25/07/1894 in Pulham St Mary Norfolk.
Her husband was a doctor I can find all sorts of things about him on Ancestry from the medical journals and comings and goings on ships to Accra Ghana and South Africa
also found
2 more marriages
One in Natal in 1902 to Ivy Celia Freeman (transcripts on internet)
one in 1927 to in Cornwall to Marion Bottrell, he then changed his surname to Bottrell and have found a medical journal report that says he died 'at home' in 1956 aged 89
My questions are
1) Where was 'home' when he died ? the last address I can find on the medical journals is c/o National Bank of Australia London in 1955 which leads me to think Australia somewhere?
2) What happened to his wives particularly Adelaide ? Did they die in Africa ( I can see him coming in on a ship in 1902 with what must be his second wife)
thanks
jan
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