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Anthony

Anthony Report 25 Apr 2011 16:14

Hi
Could anyone tell me if my wifes Great great grandad was a Romany
his name was David West he was on Tadley common Hampshire with his wife and
family in the 1871 census his wifes name was Elizabeth
Thanks
T

Maddie

Maddie Report 25 Apr 2011 16:18

for info
WEST, David Head M 72 1799 Hampshire VIEW
WEST, Elizabeth Wife F 52 1819 Berkshire VIEW
WEST, Fanney Daughter F 18 1853 Hampshire VIEW
WEST, Levi Son M 15 1856 Hampshire VIEW
WEST, Elizabeth Daughter F 12 1859 Hampshire VIEW
WEST, Barnett Son M 10 1861 Hampshire VIEW
WEST, Jane Daughter F 8 1863 Hampshire VIEW
WEST, Harriatt Daughter F 4 1867 Hampshire VIEW
WEST, Josiah Son M 2 1869 Hampshire VIEW
RG number:
RG10 Piece:
1246 Folio:
144 Page:
4

Registration District:
Kingsclere Sub District:
Kingsclere Enumeration District:
13 Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Tadley Municipal Borough:
Address:
The Common, Tadley County:
Hampshire

Maddie

Maddie Report 25 Apr 2011 16:19

1881 still in Tadley
WEST, David Head Married M 80 1801 General Labourer
Tadley
Hampshire VIEW
WEST, Elizabeth Wife Married F 63 1818
Thatcham
Berkshire VIEW
WEST, Jane Daughter Single F 20 1861 Servant (Dom)
Tadley
Hampshire VIEW
WEST, Alice Grand Daughter Single F 0 1881
Tadley
Hampshire VIEW
RG number:
RG11 Piece:
1266 Folio:
152 Page:
29

Registration District:
Kingsclere Sub District:
Kingsclere Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Tadley Municipal Borough:
Address:
?, Tadley County:
Hampshire

Maddie

Maddie Report 25 Apr 2011 16:22

for info
St. Peter's church

The origin of the name is uncertain. In old maps and books Tadley can be found spelled as Taddanleage, Tederlei, Titherley, Tudurley, Tadel and Taddeley. As with many other rural British communities, it is assumed that the village began as a clearing in the dense forest which at one time covered the greater part of England. In Old English, Tadde means 'Toad' or 'Frog' and ley being 'a clearing in the woods', so it possibly means "a clearing in the woods with frogs". Most sources, however, say that the name means "woodland clearing of a man called Tada".[1]

In 909, Edward the Elder granted the 'Manor of Overton' to Frithstan, Bishop of Winchester. In the confirmation of this a wood at Tadley is mentioned. The village is mentioned frequently in documents relating to the grant. There was an independent estate in the parish called the 'Manor of Tadley' but later was known as the 'Manor of Withford or Wyford'. In 1166 this property was held by William Hotot. He was succeeded by his son, Robert Hotot in 1205. The first reference to a church at Tadley is in 1286 when Andrew Hotot is recorded as owning the Manor and Church. It could be assumed that a settlement and therefore a church existed at an earlier date in view of the documented references to owners of land at Tadley from 909.

Although the exact location is unknown, it is believed that originally Tadley was a rural agricultural village located near to St. Peter's church. This village flourished until the 17th century. At that time, 12 cottages were pulled down by Henry Ludlow and the villagers scattered. They resettled on the fringe of Pamber Forest and woodland crafts became the main employment. By the 18th century, the centre of the village had moved a couple of miles to the northeast, St Peter's had become isolated from its congregation and in 1888 a new church, St. Saviour's, was built by The Green. Burrell's Farm, a cottage on Main Road, is reputed to have been built in the 15th century and is thought to be the oldest building in Tadley. A congregational chapel was founded in Tadley in 1662; this may be identified with a chapel which was converted into the first village school in 1820. By the beginning of the 20th century, there were many Gypsies or didicoy in Tadley — they had given up their travelling life to marry into non-Gypsy families and become property owners.
maddie

Maddie

Maddie Report 25 Apr 2011 16:24

1861
EST, David Head Widower M 61 1800 Hoop Maker
Tadley
Hampshire VIEW
CHITTLE, Elizabeth Widow F 44 1817 House Keeper
Thatcham
Berkshire VIEW
CHITTLE, Ann Daughter Unmarried F 16 1845
Newbury
Berkshire VIEW
CHITTLE, George Son M 13 1848
Tadley
Hampshire VIEW
CHITTLE, Fanny Daughter F 8 1853
Tadley
Hampshire VIEW
CHITTLE, Levi Son M 5 1856
Tadley
Hampshire VIEW
CHITTLE, Elizabeth Daughter F 2 1859
Tadley
Hampshire VIEW
CHITTLE, Barnet Son M 0 (10M) 1861
Tadley
Hampshire VIEW
RG number:
RG09 Piece:
718 Folio:
141 Page:
4

Registration District:
Kingsclere Sub District:
2 Kingsclere Enumeration District:
13 Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Tadley Municipal Borough:
Address:
Tadley Common, Tadley County:
Hampshire

Maddie

Maddie Report 25 Apr 2011 16:25

1851
WEST, David D Head Unmarried M 50 1801 Broommakers Master
Tadley
Hampshire VIEW
CHITTLE, Elizabeth House Keeper Unmarried F 37 1814
Thatcham
Berkshire VIEW
CHITTLE, Hannah Daughter F 14 1837
Bucklebury
Berkshire VIEW
CHITTLE, Ann Daughter F 10 1841
Bucklebury
Berkshire VIEW
CHITTLE, George Son M 6 1845
Newbury
Berkshire VIEW
CHITTLE, Henry Son M 3 1848
Tadley
Hampshire VIEW
WELCH, Samuel Son By Father Unmarried M 16 1835 Broommakers Labourer
Tadley
Hampshire VIEW
RG number:
HO107 Piece:
1684 Folio:
316 Page:
25

Registration District:
Kingsclere Sub District:
Kingsclere Enumeration District:
8 Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Tadley Municipal Borough:
Address:
Silchester Side, Tadley County:
Hampshire

Anthony

Anthony Report 25 Apr 2011 16:25

Hi Maddie
Thanks for info how can I find out if they were Romany
Regards
T

Maddie

Maddie Report 25 Apr 2011 16:27

1841 image very unclear but looks like still working with brooms
WEST, David M 40 1801 Hampshire VIEW
WEST, Mary F 12 1829 Hampshire VIEW
WEST, Thomas M 10 1831 Hampshire VIEW
WEST, Joel M 9 1832 Hampshire VIEW
WELCH, Ann F 25 1816 Hampshire VIEW
WELCH, Samuel M 5 1836 Hampshire VIEW
WELCH, Emly F 2 1839 Hampshire VIEW
HOLDAWAY, Sarah F 10 1831 Hampshire VIEW
RG number:
HO107 Piece:
392 Book/Folio:
23/6 Page:
7

Registration District:
Kingsclere Sub District:
Kingsclere Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Tadley Municipal Borough:
Address:
Tadley Common Broad Halpeny, Tadley County:
Hampshire

Maddie

Maddie Report 25 Apr 2011 16:32

here is his birth
David West

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

birth: 07 Sep 1800
christening: 05 Oct 1800 — INDEPENDENT,TADLEY,HAMPSHIRE,ENGLAND
baptism:
death:
burial:
residence: 1800 — Hampshire, England
parents: Jonathan West, Sarah
spouse:
child:
marriage:

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: David West
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 05 Oct 1800
baptism/christening place: INDEPENDENT,TADLEY,HAMPSHIRE,ENGLAND
birth date: 07 Sep 1800
father's name: Jonathan West
mother's name: Sarah


i don't really know
the census don't throw no light on it

don't know if this will assist

"ROMANY", "GYPSIESI", "GIPSY", "ROMA","GIPSIES",<m
"ROMANY" " GYPSY "HISTORY" "HAMPSHIRE" GYPSIES" "GYPSY WAGONS" "NEW FOREST -NEVI-WESH-ROMANIES.
romanygenes.webeden.co.uk/ - Cached - Similar

maddie

Anthony

Anthony Report 25 Apr 2011 16:36

Hi Maddie
So much info I can't thank you enough you have been so helpfall
Regards
T

Maddie

Maddie Report 25 Apr 2011 16:41

hope you find the answer
maddie

Anthony

Anthony Report 25 Apr 2011 16:53

Maddie
I will keep trying thanks once again
T

Liam

Liam Report 25 Apr 2011 22:33

Hi' Anthony,
I grew up in Tadley and,there were a lot of families with the surname West there. Tadley has a historical society ,perhaps you can inquire with them and ask them if they have any info.there is also a good library there that has a lot of local info .There is also a West Street not far from the common, however from my knowledge I dont think that the West families were of Romany/ Gypsy origin.

Anthony

Anthony Report 26 Apr 2011 15:46

Hi Liam

Thanks For the info on Tadley I will look into it I Wonder if his wife was
Her name was Elizabeth Chittle She was from Thatcham Berks and
they say her Daur was a peg seller she was my wife's g grandmother
Regards
T

Mary

Mary Report 26 Apr 2011 17:32

Lots of info on Google about this family,but none mention the being Romany's.

Maryb

Anthony

Anthony Report 26 Apr 2011 17:38

Hi Maryb
Thanks for reply I will keep looking
Regards
T

Su

Su Report 6 Oct 2013 13:27

Hi Antony,
I know that it has been several years since your query on David West but I have only just seen it.
David West is a very distant uncle of mine and I have done intensive research on the West's of Tadley and I can assure you that we are not descendants of Gypsys if you look on my tree you will see the 1st West I have got is Richard West born c1685 tadley. Many years ago I was lucky enough to contact a Tadley researcher named Iris [sadly dead now] who lived in Tadley and researched all the Tadley families and was a mine of information. If you need anymore help just ask.
regards
Sue

Maddie

Maddie Report 6 Oct 2013 17:55

Su
hover on his imageimage and send a message in case Anthony does not return to his thread
Maddie

Anthony

Anthony Report 27 Oct 2013 11:10

Hi Sue
Thanks for info on the West family sorry its been so long
My wife's Greatgrand mother was Jane West who maried a Brooks they had a
son called Jesse who was my wife's grandad .
Jane West was Born in Tadley
Best regards
Anthony

Anthony

Anthony Report 28 Oct 2013 12:08

Hi Sue
Can you open your tree for me
Best Regards
Anthony