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Oh well done all!
Shame Heather did'nt stay with her thread.
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Thank you everyone. This started when I had a contact email via tribalpages. My contact is a descendent of Kate's son, William who incidentally was born several years after the Richard's death but still has him on the certificate and baptismal register as father!
I'm very encouraged by the baptism of Samuel Edward as my contact says both boys were born in Herefordshire. I have birth index for both in Wolverhampton.
While it's possible that Kate & Richard were married by the 1871 census, it's more likely that they weren't since the census date that year was 2nd April. I've tried finding her with all variants of her name, including blank searches on Christian & surname.
I'm beginning to wonder if there weren't 2 Kate pennys & Richard bagleys, though 2 such marriages might be strething it a bit!
I think I'll ask him if he has their marriage certificate - also I'll get him to send me an invitation to his tree.
Many thanks, all you wonderful 'bloodhounds'!
Heather
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Oh, but I did - for some time, and come back to it as you see!
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Hi Heather,
so this is the son William;
1891 England Census
about William Bagley
Name: William Bagley
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Hereford, Herefordshire, England
Civil parish: Horsington
Ecclesiastical parish: Horsington
Town: South Cheriton
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image
Registration district: Wincanton
Sub-registration district: Milborne Port
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Hillier 54
Lucy Hillier 53
William Bagley 13
1881 England Census
about William Bagley
Name: William Bagley
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Horsington, Hertfordshire, England
Civil parish: Horsington
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street Address: South Cheriton
Education:
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Wincanton
Sub-registration district: Milborne Port
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Hilliar 45
Lucy Hilliar 43
Eva Hilliar 11
Ellen Hilliar 8
Agnes Hilliar 5
William Bagley 3
And William and Lucy's marriage;
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
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Marriages Mar 1865 (>99%)
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Hilliar William Wincanton 5c 831
JOHNSTON Thomas Wincanton 5c 831
Penny Lucy Wincanton 5c 831
1851 England Census
about Lucy Penny
Name: Lucy Penny
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas Penny
Mother's Name: Louisa Penny
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Horsington, Somerset, England
Civil parish: Horsington
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View image
Registration district: Wincanton
Sub-registration district: Castle Cary
ED, institution, or vessel: 5b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Penny 40
Louisa Penny 36
Jasper Penny 6
Lucy Penny 14
Samuel Penny 12
Ketty Penny 9
Ellen Penny 6
Caroline Penny 4
Ann Warren 45
I doubt that there were 2 different Richard Bagley's and Kate Penny's having children around that time...... Kate seemed to take years off her age, this was possibly for work purposes.
Dee x
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Hi Heather,
I have been researching the Penny family and in particular the family of Thomas Penny b 1811. Thomas and Louisa Strickland were married at Templecombe 08/04/1834 although they both lived in Horsington and had a son Jasper Strickland Penny a couple of months later and baptised at Horsington 29/06/1834. They had 6 more children, including Kitty b 1842 (according to the 1851 census) but they were not baptised until the day of Louisa's own burial when all 6 were 'done' together.One can only speculate that Louisa may have been upset by careless remarks about her first pregnacy. Within a few months of Louisa's death, Thomas married Eliza Wigmore. of Stoke Trister and had five more children. In the 1881 census, Thomas and Eliza have the 9 year old Samual Bagley living them at Hern House Horsington. Thomas died in 1902 aged 91. Phew!
I expect you know all this. Just a thought though: My grandmother (who I never met) Martha Penny developed cancer in 1918 but lingered on until she died in 1923. During that period my dad and his youngest brother were sent to family in ..Wincanton to be looked after. Perhaps little samuel was being looked after by his Granny in similar circumstances?
Curiously Thomas Penny was buried in Wells in 1902. Why Wells? Were the Bagley's there looking after grandad ?
Ray Penny
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Ray, you may have noticed that this thread is now over 3 years old and Heather is probably not returning to look at it. If you click on Heathers name you will be able to send her a Personal Message via Genes as long as they have a current email address for her.
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