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This lady married in St George's, Hanover Square, London in 2nd quarter 1871 so I have good reason to believe that she was in service in London: she was in service in a large household in Bath in 1861.

She married a man who was a coachman in a large household in the Midlands in 1871, which lends itself to the notion that he met her through his job travelling between important houses.

Kate was baptised Kitty but seems to have used Kate when she grew up. She was born in Horsington/South Cheriton, in Somerset in 1841.

I cannot find her on Ancestry in 1871; can anyone find her on another site please.

Hopefully,
Heather

Just for reference:
1861 England Census
Kate Penny
Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: South Cheuton, Somerset, England Civil parish: Walcot Ecclesiastical parish: Walcot St Swithin County/Island: Somerset Country: England Registration district: Bath Sub-registration district: Walcot ED, institution, or vessel: 9 household schedule number: 119

Lydia M Palanet 27
Laura K Palanet 15
Eleanor Palanet 12
John Bradney 19
Alice Turner 24
Eliza Charter 57
Emma Scott 24
Amelia Wilmot 23
Mary Ann Cox 35
Kate Penny 20
Rebekah Dowell 20
William Smith 29
Ebenezer Hendy 20

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1691; Folio: 61; Page: 18; GSU roll: 542851.

Have you got her in 1851 and 1841?
Thanks

As Kitty in 1851.

I do have her in 1851 but she wasn't born until September 1841, thanks.

Can you tell us who she married in 1871?...

Chris :)

Richard Bagley: he was a groom in 1861, coachman 1871. Born in Shropshire 1843 (birth index says 43, a family historian says 42 to fit with a baptism record for his census stated birthplace of Sutton Maddock )

Where were they living after they married. Did they emigrate?

Nothing showing for 1871...
Have tried 1881 1891, but no luck, so far.

Find My Past Passenger Lists start at 1890, so could be a bit too late.

Chris :)

edits, unless you have them on later Census...

Is this him in 1871 please. He is a coachman and married on this census and a Boarder.

1871 England Census
about Richard Bagley Name: Richard Bagley
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Sutton, Shropshire, England
Civil parish: Castle Church
Ecclesiastical parish: Forebridge St Paul
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Stafford
Sub-registration district: Castle Church
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 87
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Evans 33
Sarah E Evans 6
Richard Bagley 28 ****************b Shrop Sutton.
William Greensmith 53
Mary A Evans 10

So she was Kate Bagley in 1871 if he was already married?
The census took place on 2 April, what is the exact date of marriage from the marriage certificate?
Thanks

Patchem heres their marriage.

I looked on London Marriages but can't find it.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
about Richard Bagley Name: Richard Bagley
Year of Registration: 1871
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun *******
District: St George Hanover Square
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 569

I found the free bmd marriage.
I just wanted to know if she is Penny or Bagley on 1871 census as Heather has put Penny.

Well I have looked for her under the names of Kitty Penny/Bagley. Kate Penny/Bagley. Kate Penney/Bayley and still no luck.

If she was a servant I wonder if they would change her name if she had married. Did they call her Kate or Kitty or Kit????? Unless she is on a missing census................................

I even looked on trees on Ancestry.

Well something happened???

1881 England Census
about Samuel Bagley
Name: Samuel Bagley
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Horsington
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street Address: Hern House
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Wincanton
Sub-registration district: Milborne Port
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thos. Penny 70
Eliza Penny 51
Albert Penny 20
Samuel Bagley 9


Name: Samuel Edward Bagley
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 22 Oct 1871
Baptism/Christening Place: St. Mark's, Wolverhampton, Stafford, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace: 4 Clarence Street
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Richard Bagley
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Kate
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01944-6
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 1517620
Reference Number: item 2 p 395




Dee x

Something happened rather quickly after the wedding, surely?

Thought I would check out Clarence Street in 1871 although the houses aren't numbered which is annoying, but living there is a William Bagley, Ironmonger's Porter born Sutton Maddock Shropshire. So he could be a brother to Richard

260 RANSFORD, Henry Head M 25 1846 Staffordshire VIEW
260 RANSFORD, Mary Wife F 24 1847 Staffordshire VIEW
260 RANSFORD, John Ed Son M 0 1871 Staffordshire VIEW
>>>260 BAGLEY, William Lodger M 38 1833 Shropshire VIEW


Civil Parish:
Wolverhampton Municipal Borough:
Wolverhampton Address:
Clarence Street, Wolverhampton County:
Staffordshire



He appears with Richard in 1851 with their parents in Sutton Maddock although his birth year is a few years different I'm sure it is the same one

Name Age
John Bagley 52
Elizabeth Bagley 40
John Bagley 20
William Bagley 14
Elizabeth Bagley 10
Richard Bagley 7
Mary Bagley 4
Mary Dodd 70

1891 (Samuel still with Grandfather)

PENNY, Thomas Head Married M 79 1812 Carpenter
Horsington
Somersetshire
PENNY, Albert J Son Married M 30 1861 Carpenter
Horsington
Somersetshire
PENNY, Bessie Daughter In Law Married F 29 1862
Henstridge
Somersetshire
PENNY, Albert S Grandson Single M 2 1889
Horsington
Somersetshire
BAGLEY, Samuel Grandson Single M 19 1872 Painters Apprentice
Wolverhampton
Staffordshire
WIGMORE, Lucy Granddaughter Single F 10 1881
Redhill
Surrey

RG number:
RG12 Piece:
1902 Folio:
67 Page:
1

Registration District:
Wincanton Sub District:
Milborne Port Enumeration District:
6 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Horsington

Civil Parish:
Horsington Municipal Borough:
Address:
Marsh Road, Horsington County:
Somersetshire

Chris :)

1881 England Census
about Kate Bagley
Name: Kate Bagley
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: South Churton, Somerset, England >> Cheriton on image

Civil parish: Bishopstone
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England

Street Address: High St
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: House Keeper

Registration district: Highworth
Sub-registration district: Swindon
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Hazard Parker 69
Josh.M. Parker 29
Kate Bagley 33

1891 England Census
about Kate Bagley
Name: Kate Bagley
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Horsington, Somerset, England

Civil parish: Adwell
Ecclesiastical parish: Adwell
Town: Adwell
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: House keeper

Condition as to marriage: Widower

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Thame
Sub-registration district: Lewknor
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Eleanor D B Reynardson 73
William J Borek Reynardson 41
Violet B Reynardson 25
Marion L B Reynardson 40
Violet M B Reynardson 8/12
Henry E Trevor 44
Kate Bagley 41
Flora Slade 31
Margaret Price 24
Sarah Osborne 18
Eliza Smith 18
Edith Smith 15
Annie Gransfield 30
William Constable 42
Ernest Ponsford 16
William Tice 58
Fredrick March 22

A couple of possible deaths for Richard;


Deaths Sep 1874 (>99%)
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BAGLEY Richard 32 Reading 2c 187



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Deaths Dec 1878 (>99%)
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BAGLEY Richard 36 Hull 9d 146