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Thank you Erika, I have messaged her. :-)

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Hi
I have just seen this thread...from a 'google search' on Mary Maria Dominick who as far as I know married William Brett Norman.
Mary Maria is my children's 3 x's Great Grandmother on their father's side.
I was looking into their paternal ancestors as 'roumour' has it that there is blood from overseas somewhere in their make up.
I know this is an old posting but would like to say thanks for answering some the questions about Mary Maria that I have found so far.
If anyone is still active on here regarding this person then feel free to drop me a reply.

Hi
I have just seen this thread...from a 'google search' on Mary Maria Dominick who as far as I know married William Brett Norman.
Mary Maria is my children's 3 x's Great Grandmother on their father's side.
I was looking into their paternal ancestors as 'roumour' has it that there is blood from overseas somewhere in their make up.
I know this is an old posting but would like to say thanks for answering some the questions about Mary Maria that I have found so far.
If anyone is still active on here regarding this person then feel free to drop me a reply.

Thank you Kucinta - I have managed to find both records now - eventually. I also checked the permanent missing areas in the 1851 census and, provivded they didn't move to Manchester (!), they really should be there - somewhere!

Thanks again - Gai

The same Baptism Janey posted - have checked the LMA image and Joseph is a MARINER, Mary Maria was born on 29th April 1840 and the family were living at Upper Chapman St.

Name: Mary Maria Domnick
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1840
Baptism Date: 3 Jun 1840
Father's Name: Joseph Domnick
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Domnick
Parish or Poor Law Union: St George in the East
Borough: Tower Hamlets

HI, the image was from the LMA WEDDING register, not the banns, if you pm me an email address I'll try and send you a copy of the image but you should be able to find it yourself on Ancestry as I think you have access to the LMA.

Bride and groom couldn't sign, but as I said before, on the marriage register it clearly states Joseph Dominick Aneboney - look his name up on the LMA marriages. Bride's surname spelt Loyd, not Lloyd.

If you can't find it, get back to me with an email address and I'll try and send a copy of the image (am not the most IT literate of folk)

Yes, the image on Ancestry is just the banns - no fathers name. I am not sure where the details that Kucinta posted actually comes from. There is nothing on the IGI site.

There are a couple of Huegonout names in my tree - all from around Bethnal Green area, so I guess it could be French (??). They were mainly boot makers- once the weaving industry had gone from the East End anyway. I didn't realise that about Spanish surnames - it's a possiblity I guess.

G

I mentioned Ireland because (a) military families often went there temporarily around the 1850s when ours is missing, and (b) Dominick sometimes comes from Ireland.

Now, when you say the image from Ancestry says ARNEBOULY, that's the one for the banns? (I don't have the sub for that). The one for the marriage -- Joseph Dominick Aneboney -- says that, *but* the GRO index is a typed transcript from something much earlier. Presumably it would have been in the same alphabetical order, between Andrews and Anell -- unless there was no main list compiled until it was typed, that I don't know.

I'm tending to think the A name was "foreign" and Joseph may have just ditched it. ;) Or possibly it was in the Spanish form, i.e. was the mother's surname, and it was an error to treat it as if it were his surname. I'm not managing to think of anything French or Spanish it might really be. ;)

Thanks Janey - I tend to agree with you about the Aneboney name - however, the image on Ancestry actually says "JOSEPH DOMINI ARNEBOULY". The free BMD version of the 1839 marriage says "JOSEPH DOMINICK ANEBONEY" His father is also given as ANEBONEY. Kucinta found the marriage details yesterday (page 1) - Joseph was a mariner which could explain why he isn't with Mary Ann and Mary in 1841.

I guess Ireland is a possibility but Mary Ann marries Daniel Burgess in 1858 so didn't stay in Ireland if she was there. There is also the death I found for Joseph in 1855 which of course may not be the right one but would tie up with dates etc.

My connection is actually with Daniel Burgess and Mary Ann Lloyd - the Dominick's were a bit of a diversion really!

Anyhow, thanks very much for your help. Sometimes I just need someone else to test out my theories!

Gai

Everything I've put is from Ancestry.

edit - 1871 she's in the household of James and Sarah Ross.

Re Joseph's occupation -- the marriage certificate, Mary birth certificate and Caroline birth certificate should give his occupation.

Oops again, the marriage says Mariner. ;)

How about the possibility that Joseph was in the military (and possibly Irish), and in 1851 they were in Ireland, or India ... or Canada ...

Not uncommon at the time.

I don't see a name to match in Chelsea Pensioner records at FMP though.

It is DOMINICK. She signs her name (poorly, but that is how she spells it too).

G

I found the 1861 census with the Houchin's - FMP has badly transcribed it - HOWCHIN and then DOMINION ?? I got the 1881 one in Ernest Stree. I can't find the 1871 you posted above though. Where is that from please?

I really think that Aneboney bit is just a bit of nonsense. It certainly isn't a name! I might really think he was Joseph Anthony Dominick -- possibly from the Cornwall/Devon area where both those names were found.

You very much need the 1839 marriage certificate to see what it actually says.


Tell us what Caroline's name is specifically when she marries? Just to see what version of "Dominick" it was.

Oh right, this one -- when I'd glanced at the FreeBMD results list at first I'd assumed that to be the person of the same name born 1866 in Bath. ;)

Name: Caroline Dominick
Year of Registration: 1891
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Camberwell
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 1374

Janey - thankyou! This must be Mary Ann's daughter. It seems the Aneboney bit of the name got dropped pretty quickly - it was there when they married!

G

OMG - Houchin is a name I recognise - Daniel's nephew Charles was "married" to a Sarah Houchin (I don't think they actually married).

I have also found a marriage for Caroline in 1891 in Camberwell - to Fred Mason Her father is given as Daniel Burgess deceased. One of the witnesses is Sarah Phoebe Norman - who I suspect is her neice (sister Mary Dominick married William Norman) Caroline is 49; he is 65 and both say they were married before but it appears that she wasn't.

Oh - I would love to find at least one of them in 1851 !!

Name: Mary Maria Domnick
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 03 Jun 1840
Baptism/Christening Place: SAINT GEORGE IN THE EAST,STEPNEY,LONDON,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 29 Apr 1840
Father's Name: Joseph Domnick
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C05578-3
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

1861

Name: Caroline Domineck
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Boarder
Where born: St Georges, London, England

Civil parish: Bow St Mary

George Houchin 33
Elizth Houchin 26
Alfred Houchin 3
Elizth Houchin 1
Caroline Domineck 19


1871

Name: Coline Dominick
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Lodger
Where born: St Georges in The East
Civil parish: Mile End Old Town


It does appear to say Coline; Seamstress. It also looks like it says Married, but this could all be down to the inattention of the head of household.


1881

Name: Caroline Dominick
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Boarder
Where born: St George E, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Mile End Old Town

Street Address: 128 Ernest St
Occupation: Machinist (Sewing)

Well, a quick search at FreeBMD might give some answers. ;)

Maybe a second child of Mary Ann?

Births Sep 1841
Dominick Caroline Lucy St Geo East 2 90

No marriage or death, on a quick look.


But she's no more apparent in 1851 than the others.

Hi everyone - I have just found another "clue" - but it poses more questions than answers!- Daniel's second daughter Susan married Edward Hammond in 1877 in Bethnal Green - her address is 24 Wellington Street. One of the witnesses is a Caroline Dominick (at least I think that's what it says?? Who is she??

G