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Posting whilst I cook so taking me ages! Great stuff MC - can't wait to find out who the parents are!
Julie

The link to *the* Daubeney family would be the name Giles and the spelling of the surname with a second e.

See the uk National Archives index of documents available in relation to Henry Charles Barnston Daubeney.

Apparently he was very keen on family history & traced back to a knight called Giles Daubeney.

Other sources suggest that although he was married at least 3 times he only had 2 children. Giles Barnston Daubeney, b 1841, who apparently went to Australia in 1863 and died there 1879 and Charles Henry Hill Daubeney - good mistranscription this one!

Births Mar 1844 (>99%)
Dawbency Charles Henry Hill Axminster 10 13
DAWBENER Charles Henry Hill Axminster 10 13

died 1870 in Fareham Surrey - a bachelor. wonder if he's the father? His will might tell?

He was in Heston Middx in 1861.

Julie

Jooleh - that's fantastic!

I've just ordered certificate and will let you all know what's on it.

Feel things are starting to move slowly together .....

I tell myself: always look at the whole page when you find a birth reg! and then I forget. ;) (Sometimes you even find a twin.)

That reg indicates that the father was Daubeney and the mother Hughes. It was kind of uncommon way back then to do a double registration for a birth to unmarried parents. Usually you just get the registration in the mother's surname with the father's surname as a middle name, if it's there. I'd get that too.

Had a good look around for a potential soldier husband & for a likely Isabella in 1861 but nothing much found. Also looked for brother Frederick again with no luck. Then I went back to the Giles Frederick posted by Jax & JC. If he is the one then I suspect he may be linked to the 'famous' Daubeneys. Had a good look at them too -there's lots of info around including probate records that link them.

Anyway – back to the point – on FreeBMD there aren't many Giles Fredericks as given names so I searched on first names only and up popped this:

Births Jun 1864 (>99%)

DAUBENEY Giles Frederick Daubeney Islington 1b201
HUGHES Giles Frederick Daubeney Islington 1b201

Couldn't find a Hughes/Daubeney marriage.

If it was me I would deffo get that certificate to find out who the parents were!

There are also a few Robert & Ernest Hughes born around London at the right time.

Julie

Hi MC

I found this today whist I was looking for Charlotte Wimslow.

1871 census - household transcription
Person: WINSLOW, Charlotte
Address: Kidbrooke House, Kidbrooke
THOMSON, John Head M 59 1812 Cumberland
THOMSON, Sophia Wife F 57 1814 Kent
THOMSON, Agnes Daughter F 26 1845 Kent
THOMSON, Eleanor Daughter F 22 1849 Kent
MORGAN, J G Assistant M 24 1847 Carmarthenshire
HINDE, Claude C H Assistant M 24 1847 Devon
MARRIOTT, Sophia Servant F 38 1833 Essex
WINSLOW, Charlotte Servant F 32 1839 Kent
FARNHAM, Isabella Servant F 19 1852 Kent
NEWSON, Emma Servant F 17 1854 Suffolk
HOLBROOK, Emily Servant F 23 1848 Oxfordshire
BURRELL, Arthur Servant M 14 1857 Surrey
WARLOW, Edmund Grandson M 7 1864 Kent
SCUDAMORE, Edward F H Pupil M 17 1854 Kent
SCUDAMORE, Theodore F J Pupil M 15 1856 Kent
SCUDAMORE, Th H Pupil M 10 1861 Kent
DAUBENY, Herbert P Pupil M 14 1857 Kent
WIGLESWORTH, Howard Pupil M 13 1858 Kent
MCCABE, Hugh B Pupil M 13 1858 Middlesex
MCCABE, John H Pupil M 10 1861 Kent
STILEMAN, Edgar C Pupil M 12 1859 Middlesex
BEATTY, William L Pupil M 14 1857 Ireland
GOULD, Arthur B Pupil M 14 1857 Devon
BRAITHWAITE, E B Pupil M 12 1859 Westmorland
HART, Norman Pupil M 11 1860 Kent
COURT, Fred G Pupil M 15 1856 Kent
OLIVER, Godfrey R Pupil M 11 1860 Middlesex
OLIVER, Ch A Pupil M 9 1862 Middlesex
RAYMOND, Montague Pupil M 11 1860 Surrey
FALTON, W W Pupil M 16 1855 India
FALTON, George S Pupil M 13 1858 Bangladesh
SATOW, David U Pupil M 7 1864 Kent


It is a school and looks like some of the pupils are army children. I wondered if Herbert might link in to you at some point. as it is close to woolwich barrracks.

http://historyofstratford.co.uk/StratfordHistory/Stratford-1878Private.shtml

Stratford 1878

History of Stratford in 1878

Daubeney Miss, 31 Ponder Terrace, Water Lane

This one died too early in the crimea but is worth filing.

Daubeney Henry Charles Barnston Brevet Colonel 55th Foot (Westmoreland) Slight Wound Second Battle of Inkermann 05 November 1854

This one is about Giles but and may be useful for elimination purposes.

http://www.stmaryreculver.co.uk/page17.html

Just another thought on a different tack.

Several of my stepfather no 2 have Tait as a middle name.
They have origins in Scotland although I have not yet found the source of my Tait name.
I just wonder if that may give a clue to your Tait origins.

Great stuff.
Well I've been looking for the soldier husband without much luck. He doesn't seem to be at the Milton Barracks - only nearish one there is an Albert transcribed as Darby but he's unmarried and only 20.
Also looked for brother Frederick in 1881 but he's proving elusive too.
Back tomorrow.
Julie

Except that's backwards. ;) Might he have made himself younger than he was??

Do we have Ernest's marriage certificate, I don't suppose? Or at least the father's name, from his descendant. Or have I just lost track ...

Janey - I'm getting excited!

Ernests g-grandaughter says he lied about his age on his marriage certificate saying he was 23 when he was 21, perhaps to close the age gap with Elizabeth!

You're missing Ernest in 1901, right?

The Danburys in 1871 were born in Barnsbury.


1901

Name: Ernest Danberry >> it says DANBENY, obvious enumerator error
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth Danberry
Where born: Barnsbury, London, England
>> Milk Carrier

Civil Parish: West Ham

Ernest Danberry 31
Elizabeth Danberry 34
Elenor Danberry 8
Lucy Danberry 5
Lily Danberry 1
Thomas N Carlton 28
Lucy E Bedford 23


Jooleh's 1871 household in Milton, Kent:

Isabella R Danbury 35
Frederick Danbury 7
Robert Danbury 5
Ernest Danbury 3

I wonder whether that Ernest might have been 3 months, not 3 years? (The image doesn't say mo.) Or just the usual slippage.


It's almost looking like Jooleh has hit the jackpot.

There is one other interesting Barnsbury-born person in 1901:

Name: Fredk Daubney
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation: Boarder
Where born: Barnsbury

Civil Parish: Greenwich
James Daubney 26 - place of birth N
Eliza Daubney 29
Eliza Daubney 6
James Daubney 4
Rose Daubney 3
George Daubney 54
Fredk Daubney 23
Jack Thorn 20
Dick Allen 31

Name: George Daubney
Age: 54
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
> Relation: Father, occupation carman
Where born: Kennington, London, England

That Fredk is too young to be the one in 1871, but possibly connected?

edit - this is them in 1881 in Islington, just for info:

George Danbney 33 - butcher, born Kensington
Mary J. Danbney 34
James G. Danbney 6
Frederick Danbney 3

and in 1871 in Kensington:

George Daubney 23
Mary J Daubney 25
Alice P Daubney 5

Looking to see whether George had siblings; 1851 in Kensington:

James Danbury 36
Mary Danbury 34
Mary Danbury 10
James Danbury 9
Sarah Danbury 7
Charles Danbury 5
George Danbury 3
Rachael Danbury 1
Mary Ann Harker 19

You may actually have the Moncks beat for mistranscriptions. ;)

Just got in from work and seen all this - WOW!!

Jooleh - I do think that 1871 is a contender. I'm pretty sure that their mother must have died young.

One thing I am certain of is that when he enlisted on 11 Aug 1879 his age was given as 14 years and four months (he was only 4 ft 8 in tall, with a chest measurement of 26 ins). When he died in 1940 his age was 74 years. I don't think his birth could have been after 1866.

Chris - I have often harboured suspicions about Sir HBC - have you seen his marriage record!

Here's something interesting: a name to actually match something.

Births Sep 1845
Dauberry Fredrick Charles Bedminster 11 80

It's actually DAUBENY (precedes Dauber in the list, another Daubeny and a Daubeney are also mistranscribed).

I've submitted a correction to FreeBMD.

But I just can't win:

Deaths Dec 1851
Daubeny Frederick Charles Bedminster 11 63

although that could be a person of an older generation.


Marriages Dec 1896
? Beasley Alice Agnes Westminster 1a 1023
? DAUBENEY Frederick Charles Westminster 1a 1023
DEBNAM Fannie Westminster 1a 1023
Hooper Richard George Westminster 1a 1023

A belated marriage? Two of my grx2 grparents married at 45. ;)

But no, this is that couple in 1901 in St Pancras:

Frederick C Danbury 32
Alice Danbury 25

Investigating ... and ruling out ...


This is just interesting ...

Marriages Jun 1861
> Armstrong Elizabeth Mile End 1c 941
Chalk Esther Mile End 1c 941
> Daubney George Greenwood Mile End 1c
Gurling William Henry Mile End 1c 941

Marriage would likely have been in Q1 (actually, parish record shows 3 April 1861, Stepney - George has father of same name, Elizabeth's father Robert Armstrong); they are together in her parents' household in Mile End in 1861 census:

Robert Armstrong 62
Elizabeth Armstrong 54
Eliza Armstrong 18
Robert Armstrong 30
William Armstrong 29
> George Daubney 28
> Elizabeth Daubney 25
Caroline Armstrong 12
Rosina Armstrong 31
William Armstrong 13
Eliza Armstrong 1
Ellen Armstrong 23


However ...

ROBERT WILLIAM DAUBENY
Christening: 19 MAY 1872 Saint Philip The Apostle, Stepney, London, England
Father: GEORGE GREENWOOD DAUBENY
> Mother: SARAH
Batch No.: C042691 (no other births in batch)

Thought it might be a late baptism, given the possible marital intricacies, but

Births Jun 1872
DAUBENEY Robert William Mile End 1c 599
Deaths Mar 1876
Daubney Robert William 3 Mile End 1c 420

There's a bride missing here:

Marriages Mar 1869
Daubeney George Pancras 1b 175

and just too many marriages in that quarter to identify the missing one. But no other apparent marriage to a Sarah.

Wife died:

Deaths Jun 1876
DAUBNEY Elizabeth 40 Mile End 1c 312

The person I noted earlier:

Births Mar 1876
Daubney William Avis Mile End Old Town 1c 562

I'm just wondering whether our Robert and Ernest could have been children of this Sarah unknown who apparently subsequently partnered with George Greenwood Daubney.

Deaths Jun 1895
Daubney George Greenwood 63 St. Geo. East 1c 217

Blamed if I can find them in censuses after 1861. Could Elizabeth Armstrong Daubney have been partnered with someone else by 1871?

- edit - I think my suspicions may have been unfounded:

Births Jun 1861
DAUBNEY Elizabeth Sarah Mile End 1c 540
Deaths Dec 1862
DAUBNY Elizabeth Sarah Mile. End 1c 443

-- mother was quite likely *Elizabeth Sarah* also.




And now a separate batch ... who's this in 1891?

John Mansfield 36
Rosina Mansfield 31 - Manning; marriage 1884 Mile End
Rayma Matilda Mansfield 6
Jessie Mansfield 4
Leona Sophia Mansfield 2
Mary Ann Eliz Dauberg 56 - (abt 1835) Daubney, mother-in-law

Marriages Dec 1878
Beales Elizabeth Mile End 1c 1137
> DAUBNEY Thomas Mile End 1c 1137
> MANNING Mary Ann E Mile End 1c
Pye George Mile End 1c 1137

Could it be possible? --

Births Mar 1866
Manning Robert Mile End 1c 558


1861, Stepney

Samuel Manning 28
Mary Ann Manning 28 - Bird, married 1853, Marylebone
Elizabeth Manning 6
Ellen Manning 3
Mary Ann Manning 1

But no. -- 1871, Mile End:

Samuel Manning 39
Mary Ann Manning 39
Ellen Manning 14
Mary Ann Manning 12
Rose Manning 10
Louise Manning 8
Matilda Manning 5
Edith Manning 3
Alice Manning 3 Months
Rosine Manning 1 MO

(And I did so like the idea of the son of Ms Bird having Avis for a middle name!)

Just looking at that Manning-Daubney-Mansfield bunch again for a minute ...

1881

Thomas Dabeney 63 - born Lincolnshire, Carpenter
Mary Ann Dabeney 50
Edith Manning 14
Samuel Clark 63
John Mansfield 27 - future husband of Rosina Manning >> Milkman
Charles Tuckwood 26
James Medword 28

Thomas in 1871

Name: Thomas Danbury
Age: 53
Estimated birth year: abt 1818
Relation: Boarder
Where born: Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: St James Clerkenwell
- widowed, carpenter

1861

Name: Thomas Danbury
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1819
Relation: Lodger
Where born: London, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Shoreditch St Leonard
- unmarried, carpenter

1851

Name: Thomas Daubrey
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Relation: Brother
Where born: Sibsey, Lincolnshire, England

Civil Parish: St Pancras
Thomas Seymor 38
Eleanor Seymor 36
Joseph Seymor 1
Thomas Daubrey 30

baptism was 1818, Sibsey, Lincolnshire
(he is not Thomas Willows Daubney or the Thomas married to Adelaide from Channel Islands)

A widowed older father could be a reason for children to be in institutions.

Just cannot find a marriage.

So, this is just investigating and trying to rule out. Putting it all here for that purpose!

GRO REGIMENTAL BIRTH INDICES (1761 to 1924) 1761 - 1924 DARWENT to DAVENPORT 1 FREE

(not sure of this entry on FMP?)

If he was linked to Sir Henry Charles Barnston Daubeney :-) Wow!.

Chris :)

Thats the one I gave at the top of page 2 but it does'nt match the date of birth from army records

ja...x

Barnsbury (what the 1871 says, not Bainsbury, for all famil members) is a sub-dist of Islington reg dist.

Births Jun 1864 ?
DAUBENEY Giles *Frederick* Daubeney Islington 1b 201

but no matching Robert or Ernest.

On the other hand, with father being a soldier, I wonder whether the whole lot of them (and/or of our Robert and Ernest) were actually born somewhere like Ireland?