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Great 'Thread' though MC :-)
Fingers crossed for you...

Chris :)

Feel like I'm going round in circles now!

I think the 1871 family from BaRnsbury (yes, you were right, Janey!) seems more likely to be mine. I was quite excited about Isabella Alice but the age doesn't fit as Julie says. There does seem to be quite a number of Frederick Daubeneys dotted about so maybe Giles Frederick is one of those?

Janey, can't find anywhere on Ancestry to report a mistranscription?

Sigh, I said it was BaRnsbury waaaay back. As in Barnsbury, Middlesex. Barnsbury is part of Islington and Barnsbury Rd is in Islington.

Remember? --

1901

Name: Fredk Daubney
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
> Where born: Barnsbury
Civil Parish: Greenwich

Boarding with James Daubney c1875 place of birth not stated, whose father is George Daubney c1847 born Kennington -- these people seem to be some sort of odd coincidence, though.

More to the point, our mistranscribed Ernest whom I found in 1901:

Name: Ernest Danberry - it says Danbeny
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth Danberry
Gender: Male
Occupation: Milk Carrier
> Where born: Barnsbury, London, England
Civil Parish: West Ham


Were you going to correct his name, MC, or do you want it done?

Fantastic news MC - a link to Alice at last!
The first Frederick may have died & the second one named after him.
But that Isabella Hughes age doesn't fit with the one in 1871 who was 35. On the 1871 image it does look like 35 (making her born c1836 ).
I can see this thread keeping me awake again!
Julie

perhaps Frederick in 1860, and Giles Frederick in 1864...

Chris :)

(no idea where father Frederick D is though)

Chris - That's it!

Have just been searching but you beat me. That's Isabella BUT Giles Frederick wasn't born until 1864. So did she have a Frederick in 1860 then another in 1864? this is getting weird.

1851 Address: 33, Francis Street, Saint Pancras, Marylebone
HUGHES, William Head Married M 44 1807 Grocer & Oilman
Marylebone Middlesex
HUGHES, Francis Wife Married F 35 1816 Cambridgeshire
HUGHES, Emma Daughter Unmarried F 12 1839 Scholar
Hampstead Middlesex
HUGHES, Alpin H Son Unmarried M 10 1841 Scholar
St Anne Soho Middlesex
HUGHES, Anna M Daughter Unmarried F 8 1843 St George Bloomsbury
Middlesex
HUGHES, Isabella Daughter Unmarried F 6 1845
St Pancras Middlesex
HUGHES, Henry C Son Unmarried M 4 1847
St Pancras Middlesex

Would it be Barnsbury Road?...

Chris :)

Brunswick Terrace Barnsbury Road Lower RG 9/128 125-126

1861 reg. district Islington. if any help...

1861 England Census
about Edwin Benthf
Name: Edwin Benthf
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Maria Bentlef
Gender: Male
Where born: Maidstone, Kent, England

Civil Parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 23
Household Members: Name Age
Maria Bentlef 51
John E Sadgrone 44
Frederick Hudson 20
Edwin Benthf 16
Elizabeth Sanderscock 56
Ann Hemings 24
Louisa Hemings 44

(this comes up as 11, lower Brunswick Terrace)


(saw this 1861)

1861 address search redefine current search
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation
Disability Where Born Original
census
image

HUGHES, Isabella Alice Lodger Unmarried F 19 1842 Fundholder
Middlesex VIEW
HUGHES, Frederick Son Unmarried M 1 1860
Middlesex VIEW
SEAMAN, Anne Elizabeth Servant Unmarried F 19 1842 Housemaid
VIEW
CLARK, Sarah Jane Servant Unmarried F 18 1843 Cook
Norfolk VIEW

RG number:
RG09 Piece:
96 Folio:
34 Page:
24

Registration District:
Pancras Sub District:
1 Regent's Park Enumeration District:
12 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Christchurch

Civil Parish:
St Pancras Municipal Borough:
Address:
68, Albany Street, St Pancras County:
London, Middlesex

Just tried doing address search on those addresses but no match in Islington.

Just to let all the kind people who helped on this that I've now got the birth certificate of Giles Frederick Daubeney born 25 Mar 1864, birthplace 11 Brunswick Terrace, somewhere around Islington West.

The mother's name was Isabelle ALICE Hughes and the father Frederick Daubeney (occupation Gentleman, of 11 Brunswick Terrace, Bainsbury Road). It was Frederick Daubeney that registered the birth.

So, although they weren't married the baby was born at his house.

The two things that are interesting are that his address is Bainsbury Road and that is the birthplace of Frederick, Robert and Ernest in the 1871 census found earlier. Also, that we always understood my G-grandfather Robert's mother to be called Alice.

I don't think I've yet joined all the dots up but feel it's getting closer ......

Off now to see what more I can find out about Frederick and Isabelle.

There is only one Giles Hughes birth reg 1860-1870. Also no Giles Hughes deaths. In fact, that is the only Giles Hughes anything in the GRO index, and there are none in any census. The IGI has the odd other one, but all 1830 or earlier.

But there's this christening:

GILES HUGHES
Christening: 18 JUN 1865 Nantcwnlle, Cardigan, Wales
Mother: ANNE HUGHES
Batch No.: C082571

Now, it could have been a child who died in infancy whose birth wasn't registered. One way or another, I'm sure it's a giant coincidence. ;)

I've been thinking that if Robert was the only one with a, er, legitimate claim to the Daubeney name, that could explain him being the one who got the special school while Ernest got tossed onto the charity of the parish.

Hold on now, why are you still chasing Hughes-s? Oh right, becuase of the birth reg as Hughes. Hurry up and get that certificate, MC!


I'm going to bet this is the one who married Nicholson:

Name: Issabella Rebecca White
Baptism/Christening Date: 26 Aug 1827
> Baptism/Christening Place: SAINT JAMES, PADDINGTON, LONDON, ENGLAND
Father's Name: Thomas White
Mother's Name: Rebecca
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C07903-2
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 579297
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

1851

Name: Isabella White
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Relation: Sister
Where born: St George H Sq, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St George Hanover Square


Too old to be ours. Just a red herring of my own catching!

Possible death? Robert had already joined the military school (1879 if I remember correctly) and Ernest ended up in the workhouse in 1881:

Deaths Mar 1880 (>99%)
Hughes Isabella 46 Fulham 1a 151

Julie

I hate it when one's theories go kaput, I really do. ;)

But you gotta kiss a bunch o' wild theories to find the prince!

Looks like that Isabella married John Nicholson:


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Isabella Rebecca White
Name: Isabella Rebecca White
Spouse Name: John Nicholson
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 22 Apr 1855
Parish: St James, Paddington
County: Middlesex
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: Thomas White
Spouse Father Name: James Nicholson

Ah Janey you got there before me via a different route.

Julie

I added some more info to the post above. She really does seem like a good candidate for the position of Isabella R Daubeney in the 1871 census.

I'm wondering whether William Hughes was military and they're in Ireland or something in 1861. And that's how she met Daubeney ... just to get ahead of ourselves here. ;)


And I think I've just killed that theory -- DANG!!

1851

Name: Frances Kuhne
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Sophia Kuhner
Where born: Kensington, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Kensington

1861

Name: Frances Hughes
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Relation: Widow
Where born: Kensington
Civil Parish: Kensington St Mary Abbott


So Isabella Rebecca White married Nicholson.


But ... still in the running?

Name: Isabel Rebecca White
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Year of Registration: 1904
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 68
District: West Ham
County: Essex, Greater London
Volume: 4a
Page: 26

Nope, out of the running. In 1901 she's a visitor in West Ham. In 1871 she's a parlormaid in Finsbury (Isabella B White per Ancestry).

There's still the one who married Nicholson ...... ;)

Janey, yes in contact with them - most of them are my cousins who copied!

Now, that Isabella is interesting! Especially with the Daubeney/Hughes connection from Jooleh.

Haven't heard back from Ernest's g-grandaughter as to what she thinks of these developments.

Such a lot to take in and disseminate - think I won't be able to do it justice properly until I've got some time off work. That'll be the Christmas break taken care of!

One reason for dual registrations is that the mother was married to someone else still and so the birth must be registered in her husband's surname.

Marriages Jun 1855
? HUGHES William Kensington 1a 104
KUHNE Fanny Kensington 1a 104
NICHOLSON John Kensington 1a 104
? WHITE Isabella Rebecca Kensington 1a 104


Name: Isabel Rebecca White
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 08 Jul 1835
Baptism/Christening Place: SAINT ANDREW, HOLBORN, LONDON, ENGLAND
Birth Date: 25 Feb 1835
Father's Name: Thomas White
Mother's Name: Ann
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P01051-8
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 374359
Reference Number:
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Matches the age of Isabella R Daubeney in 1871 ...



Looks like that one in 1851, displaying her middle initial:

Name: Isabel R White
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Relation: Visitor
Where born: St Andrew, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Norton Folgate
County/Island: Middlesex

John Chalkley 31 - occupation Turncock, yes
Caroline Chalkley 26
Caroline Jane Chalkley 3
Isabel R White 16


And in 1841 -- trying to place this Isabel(la) class-wise:

Thomas White 40
Ann White 30
Isabel White 6
Georgina White 4
Augustus White 2

Civil Parish: St Mary Islington West

Great. No idea what Thomas's occupation says. Neighbours are the usual labourer, shoemaker, brickmaker. An Attorney's Clk. So I think that does say Clk next to Thomas as I suspected. Those are some high-falutin' names, possibly including Caroline in the 1851.

They're in St Luke Old Street in 1851, Thomas is "Clerk to Oil Merchants".

MC, are you in touch with all the other people who have Robert Daubeney 1865 in their trees? And also an Ernest 1866 who would match that one in 1971 I think. You've probably said you are. I just noticed there's one I've been in contact with here at GR before, a year ago -- ah yes, purely because she deleted a thread I'd spent a lot of time on while I was in mid-post ... turned out because she was supposed to ...

And you wouldn't believe how many people have Giles Daubeney-s born back to the early 1300s in their trees at GR ...

But look -- *Hill* -- maybe we're cousins, MC!!!