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Thanks Choccy and Jacky, you are both awesome!

Just wondered if either of you have access to UK marriages or those books that have parish marriage lists and can find out who it was that the William Love married in these pages from Kent between 1881 and 1891?

I found three marriages of a William Love and a Martha:

Marriages Mar 1882
Love William Tunbridge 2a 717

Marriages Dec 1882
Love William Tunbridge 2a 1057

Marriages Mar 1888
Love William Eastry 2a 1117

There is also another part of the puzzle that I have been unable to solve: Charles Homewood Hopper told us that he finished his schooling in Australia before moving to New Zealand. I have been unable to find him or William Love (with or without a wife) going to Australia prior to 1896. Unfortunately no one knows which part of Australia he went to.

Any help you can give me with any of this would be amazing.

Best wishes, Jennifer

hi Choccy
that looks good to me but strange still no wife ??

jacky

travelling with Mr C H Hopper (aged 15)

Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960

Name: Mr W LOVE
Date of departure: 14 October 1896
Port of departure: London
Destination port: New Zealand
Destination country: New Zealand

Date of Birth: 1854 (calculated from age)
Age: 42
Marital Status: Married
Sex: Male
Occupation: Farmer
Notes:
Passenger recorded on: Page 6 of 7

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Ship: RIMUTAKA
Official Number:
Master's name: H E Greenstreet
Steamship Line: The New Zealand Shipping Company Limited
Where bound: New Zealand
Square feet: 3858
Registered tonnage: 2860
Passengers on voyage: 219



Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960

Name: Mr C H HOPPER
Date of departure: 14 October 1896
Port of departure: London
Destination port: New Zealand
Destination country: New Zealand

Date of Birth: 1881 (calculated from age)
Age: 15
Marital Status: Single
Sex: Male
Occupation:
Notes:
Passenger recorded on: Page 6 of 7

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Ship: RIMUTAKA
Official Number:
Master's name: H E Greenstreet
Steamship Line: The New Zealand Shipping Company Limited
Where bound: New Zealand
Square feet: 3858
Registered tonnage: 2860
Passengers on voyage: 219

hi jennifer
when did he (uncle bill ) leave england have you got the passengership deatials of his sailing or the details of your grandfatther charles leaving england & did his wife sail with him or had she maybe passed away by then ????

also have you had a look at this site

http://family-tree-russell.co.uk/S98.htm

jacky

Hi Jacky, Thank you very much for your help.

You are right about Elizabeth Hopper being Charles Homewood Hopper's widow, and also the young Charles Homewood Hopper's mother but it never occurred to me that Elizabeth might have been living with William Love.

This is because William Love was the older (and dead) Charles H. Hopper's cousin. William's mother was Emmeline Homewood and Charles' mother was her sister Harriet Homewood. Emmeline married their cousin, who was also William Love (this lot don't seem very imaginative with their names and it makes things confusing).

The William Love you found in the 1891 census was living with his father, his step-mother and some of his siblings in Headcorn in the 1881 census and he wasn't married.

As you can see, in the 1891 census he was married, and if this is correct, I would dearly love to know who his wife is.

My grandfather was the 9 year old Charles Hopper, and he came out to Australia and then New Zealand with 'Uncle Bill'. He told us virtually nothing about his past, though there may have also been an Aunt Martha, who is possibly the missing wife.

If you can think of anything else that might point me in the right direction, I would really appreciate the help.

Thanks again for your help. Jennifer

hi jennifer
this looks like your william in 1891 i,m guessing that he may have married or not married elizabeth hopper as it say,s she is a visitor but says that charles HOMEWOOD hopper living with him is his daughter (must be mistranscribed in census) as clearly is a male so if correct & is his child as his mothers maiden name was homewood & sometimes in them days the first born male was given the father,s mother,s maiden name i think it maybe worth getting the charles homewood hopper birth cert to see what the parents names are


1891 England Census
about William Lose
Name: William Lose
[William Love]
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Smarden, Kent, England

Civil parish: Kingstone
Ecclesiastical parish: Kingstone
Town: Kingstone
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Bridge
Sub-registration district: Barham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Lose 36
Elizabeth Hopper 37
Charles Homewood Hopper 9



England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Charles Homewood Hopper
Name: Charles Homewood Hopper
Year of Registration: 1881
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Ticehurst
County: Kent, Sussex
Volume: 2b
Page: 114 (click to see others on page)




not really sure whats going here i went to look for elizabeth in the 1881 census to see who she was living with & found her NOTE !!! that birth year & area matches both census for elizabeth

1881 England Census
about Elizabeth Hopper
Name: Elizabeth Hopper
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Charles H.
Gender: Female
Where born: Salehurst, Sussex, England

Civil parish: Burwash
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street Address: Perchhill
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Farmers Wife

Registration district: Ticehurst
Sub-registration district: Ticehurst
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles H. Hopper 31
Elizabeth Hopper 27
Harriet H. Hopper 4 >>> daughter born 1877
Thomas E. Hopper 3 >>>>son 1878
Emily G. Hopper 1 >>> daughter born 1880
Spencer Simes 63 >>servant



and here is the marraige of charles h hopper


Marriages Dec 1875 (>99%)
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Bourne Elizabeth Rye 2b 6
HOPPER Charles Homewood Rye 2b 6




and her she is with william love



1891 England Census
about Elizabeth Hopper
Name: Elizabeth Hopper
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Salehurst, Sussex, England

Civil parish: Kingstone
Ecclesiastical parish: Kingstone
Town: Kingstone
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Bridge
Sub-registration district: Barham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Lose 36
Elizabeth Hopper 37
Charles Homewood Hopper 9




her husband charles homewood hopper died here is his death reg


Deaths Dec 1884 (>99%)
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Hopper Charles Homewood 35 Ticehurst 2b 65


so it looks like charles homewood hopper born in 1881 was the child of charles homewood hopper & elizabeth Bourne & not william love so when it say,s daughter/son i can only think its referring to him/her been the son/daughter of elizabeth on the census as he /she was born before charles homewood hopper(1849) who died in 1884

hope you following this cos i,m confused LOL
so there must be a connection with william love.s mother emmerline homewood & the charles homewood hopper ???