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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 27 Aug 2021 09:14

Looking to see if there are any more Dipper relatives -


George's death:

George E Dipper
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: George E Dipper
Death Age: 77
Birth Date: abt 1874
Registration Date: Oct 1951[Nov 1951] [Dec 1951]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Winchester
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 649


George with first wife Annie in 1901 - I see there was another child, Bessie:

George Dipper
in the 1901 England Census
Name: George Dipper
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Spouse: Annie Dipper
Father: Lydia Dipper
Birth Place: Fratton, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Weeke Within
Ecclesiastical parish: Weeke St Mary
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Registration District: Winchester
Sub-registration District: Winchester
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors:
Piece: 1082
Folio: 120
Page Number: 29
Household Schedule Number: 203
Household Members:
Name Age
Lydia Dipper 58
Thomas Dipper 16 - son
George Dipper 26 - son
Annie Dipper 31 - daughter-in-law
Bessie Dipper 4 - grand-daughter
Ethel Dipper 2 - grand-daughter


Bessie's birth:

DIPPER, BESSIE FLORENCE mmn VENTHAM
GRO Reference: 1897 M Quarter in WINCHESTER Volume 02C Page 139


1911:

Bessie Florence Dipper
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Bessie Florence Dipper
Age in 1911: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Winchester, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Winchester
Street Address: 11 College Street, Winchester, Hants
Marital status: Single
Occupation: General Servant Domestic
Registration District Number: 103
Sub-registration District: Winchester
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Piece: 6124
Household Members:
Name Age
Philip Edward Wells 52
Annie Wells 50
Philip Wells 22
Bessie Florence Dipper 14


Her marriage:

Bessie F Dipper
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Bessie F Dipper
Registration Date: Apr 1929
[May 1929]
[Jun 1929]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: Hendon
Inferred County: Middlesex
Spouse: William L Maynard
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 855



However, she and William don't seem to have had any children.


1939 Register:

Bessie F Maynard
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Bessie F Maynard
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 14 Feb 1897
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 29
Residence Place: Wembley, Middlesex, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic
Line Number: 28
Schedule Number: 166
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: BWDY
Borough: Wembley
Registration district: 130/1
Inferred Spouse:
William L Maynard
Household Members Age
William L Maynard 62
Bessie F Maynard 42
Edward R Thomas 24 [ he'll just be a lodger ]


Bessie's death:

Bessie Florence Maynard
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Bessie Florence Maynard
Death Age: 83
Birth Date: 14 Feb 1897
Registration Date: Jul 1980[Aug 1980] [Sep 1980]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Brent
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 11
Page: 0469

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 27 Aug 2021 09:24

Going back to George:

The 1901 census posted above shows that he had a brother Thomas.
He also had other siblings.

George's birth:

DIPPER, GEORGE EDWARD mmn HOLDAWAY
GRO Reference: 1874 M Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 465


This might be Thomas's birth, though there's no mmn given, so maybe not:

DIPPER, JOHN THOMAS -
GRO Reference: 1885 M Quarter in STOCKBRIDGE Volume 02C Page 95


Other siblings:

DIPPER, WILLIAM HENRY mmn HOLDAWAY
GRO Reference: 1872 S Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 487

DIPPER, BESSIE HOLDAWAY mmn HOLDAWAY
GRO Reference: 1877 M Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 519

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 27 Aug 2021 09:33

George, William and Bessie with an aunt and uncle in 1881:

George Dipper
in the 1881 England Census
Name: George Dipper
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relationship to Head: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Kings Somborne
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street Address: Village Principle St
Education:
Employment status:
View image
Occupation: Scholar
Registration District: Stockbridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors:
Piece: 1228
Folio: 30
Page Number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
William Brown 42
Elizabeth Brown 42
William Dipper 8 - nephew
George Dipper 7 - nephew
Bessy Dipper 4 - neice
Albert Holdaway 3 - son-in-law [ i.e. - stepson ]


Elizabeth's maiden name was Holdaway:

Elizabeth Holdaway
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Elizabeth Holdaway
Registration Year: 1879
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Stockbridge
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 172a
Records on Page:
Name
William Brown
Elizabeth Holdaway

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 27 Aug 2021 09:46

George and siblings with mother Lydia in 1891:

Bessie Dipper
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Bessie Dipper
Gender: Female
Age: 14
Relationship: Daughter
Birth Year: 1877
Mother: Lydia Dipper
Birth Place: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Weeke
Ecclesiastical parish: Weeke
Residence Place: Weeke, Hampshire, England
Registration District: Winchester
Sub registration district: Winchester
ED, Institution or Vessel: 3
Neighbors:
Piece: 936
Folio: 67
Household Members:
Name Age
Lydia Dipper 45
William Dipper 18
George Dipper 16
Bessie Dipper 14
Thomas Dipper 6


I don't see Lydia's marriage to a Dipper.

I don't see any later mention of George's sister Bessie, unless this is her in 1928:

MS [ MISS on image ] Bessie Dipper
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: MS Bessie Dipper
Electoral Date: 1928
Street Address: 17 Danehurst Street
Ward or Division/Constituency: Fulham East and West
County or Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham, England

She's at the same address in 1929, with a Miss Florence Bessie Dipper, who could be George's daughter Bessie Florence, and who married in Middlesex, as already posted.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 27 Aug 2021 09:52

This looks like George's sister Bessie emigrating (though she must have come back again, if she was in London in1928) :

Bessy Dipper
in the New York, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957
Name: Bessy Dipper
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: English
Age: 16
Birth Date: abt 1877
Departure Port: Southampton, England
Arrival Date: 20 Jan 1893
Arrival Port: New York, New York, USA
Ship Name: Aller

Last residence: Winchester.
Occupation: "Rev Baker's maid".

Rev Walter Baker of Winchester is listed higher up the page.

They're heading for Cincinnati.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 27 Aug 2021 12:14

Back to George's brothers.

Possibly John Thomas 1885 (known as Thomas in 1891 and 1901) - age a few years out??
Even though the records below give a variety of DOBs, I don't see any other feasible matching birth.


Thomas John Dipper
in the Dorset, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921
Name: Thomas John Dipper
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 30
Birth Year: abt 1879
Marriage Date: 18 Oct 1909
Marriage Place: Kingston, Dorset, England
Father: William Henry Dipper
Spouse: Eliza Alice Cook


The father's name of William Henry Dipper is interesting - that's the same as his brother's name.


Thomas Dipper
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Thomas Dipper
Age in 1911: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Kings Somborne, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Winchester
Country: England
Street Address: 18 Elm Road, Winchester
Marital status: Married
Occupation: House Painter
Registration District Number: 103
Sub-registration District: Winchester
ED, institution, or vessel: 07
Piece: 6120
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Dipper 31
Alice Dipper 40
Florence Cook 14 - step-daughter


Thomas John Dipper
in the UK, World War I Service Medal and Award Rolls, 1914-1920
Name: Thomas John Dipper
Military Year: 1914-1920
Rank: Private
Company: WO 329
Regiment or Corps: Hampshire Regiment
Regiment Number: 25238
Medal Awarded: British War Medal and Victory Medal




Thomas John Dipper
in the UK, British Army World War I Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920
Name: Thomas John Dipper
Regiment or Corps: Hampshire Regiment
Regimental Number: 25238
Enlisted 11/12/1915.
Discharged: 14/12/1918


Thomas J Dipper
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Thomas J Dipper
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 10 Dec 1880
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 18 Elm Road
Residence Place: Winchester, Hampshire, England
Occupation: Painter Decorator & Water Fitter
Line Number: 15
Schedule Number: 98
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: EDVH
Borough: Winchester
Household Members Age
Thomas J Dipper 59
Eliza A Dyper 71 [ Dipper on image ]



His death??

Thomas J Dipper
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Thomas J Dipper
Death Age: 73
Birth Date: abt 1883
Registration Date: Oct 1956[Nov 1956] [Dec 1956]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Winchester
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 707


Thomas John Dopper [ Dipper on image ]
in the England & Scotland, Select Cemetery Registers, 1800-2016
Name: Thomas John Dopper
Age: 73
Record Type: Burial
Birth Date: abt 1883
Death Date: abt 1956
Burial Date: 5 Dec 1956
Burial Place: Winchester, Hampshire, England
Cemetery Section: D Con
Grave Number: P1/152
Interment Number: 7110
Cemetery Notes: Consecrated

Abode, and place of death: 18 Elm Road, Winchester


The step-daughter Florence's birth:

COOK, FLORENCE MAY mmn COOPER
GRO Reference: 1896 S Quarter in HORSHAM Volume 02B Page 309

However, I don't see any Dipper/Cooper births, so it looks as if Thomas didn't have any children.
Another dead end as far as potential living relatives go.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 27 Aug 2021 16:24

George's other brother, William Henry 1872 -


His birth already posted, also 1881 and 1891 censuses.

His baptism:

William Henry Dipper
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: William Henry Dipper
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 3 Nov 1872
Baptism Place: Saint Marys,Portsea,Hampshire,England
Father: Henry Dipper
Mother: Lydia
FHL Film Number: 919743


Marriage:

William Henry Dipper
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: William Henry Dipper
Registration Year: 1898
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Winchester
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 238
Records on Page:
Name
William Henry Dipper
Florence Sarah Trew


William H Dipper
in the 1901 England Census
Name: William H Dipper
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Florence S Dipper
Birth Place: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Weeke Within
Ecclesiastical parish: Weeke St Mary
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration District: Winchester
Sub-registration District: Winchester
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors:
Piece: 1082
Folio: 148
Page Number: 31
Household Schedule Number: 220
Household Members:
Name Age
William H Dipper 27
Florence S Dipper 27
Albert E Dipper 1/12
James Large 21 - boarder


William Henry Dipper
in the 1911 England Census
Name: William Henry Dipper
Age in 1911: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Civil Parish: Winchester
Country: England
Street Address: 63 Lower Stockbridge Road, Winchester
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Drapers Porter
Registration District Number: 103
Sub-registration District: Winchester
ED, institution, or vessel: 06
Piece: 6119
Household Members:
Name Age
William Henry Dipper 38
Florence Sarah Dipper 38
Albert Edwin Dipper 10
Cyrel Frank Dipper 9
Alice Florence Maud Dipper 5


William H Dipper
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: William H Dipper
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 25 Aug 1872
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 136 Stockbridge Road
Residence Place: Winchester, Hampshire, England
Occupation: Draper's Porter
Line Number: 24
Schedule Number: 54
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: EDVJ
Borough: Winchester
Registration district: 101/1
Inferred Spouse:
Florence S Dipper
Household Members Age
William H Dipper 67
Florence S Dipper 66
Albert Pomeroy 66


William H Dipper
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: William H Dipper
Death Age: 78
Birth Date: abt 1872
Registration Date: Oct 1950[Nov 1950] [Dec 1950]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Winchester
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 725

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 27 Aug 2021 17:29

William Henry's children:

DIPPER, ALBERT EDWIN TREW
GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in WINCHESTER Volume 02C Page 132

DIPPER, EDWARD HORACE TREW
GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in WINCHESTER Volume 02C Page 132

DIPPER, WILLIAM FREDERICK TREW
GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in WINCHESTER Volume 02C Page 121

DIPPER, CYRIL FRANK TREW
GRO Reference: 1902 D Quarter in WINCHESTER Volume 02C Page 128

DIPPER, ALICE FLORENCE MAUD TREW
GRO Reference: 1905 D Quarter in WINCHESTER Volume 02C Page 134





Edward and William Frederick died in infancy:

Deaths Mar 1901 (>99%)
DIPPER Edward H 0 Winchester 2c 91

Deaths Mar 1900 (>99%)
Dipper William F 0 Winchester 2c 107


Albert's marriage:

Albert E Dipper
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Albert E Dipper
Registration Date: Jul 1927[Aug 1927] [Sep 1927]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Winchester
Inferred County: Hampshire
Spouse: Eleanor Barrett
Volume Number: 2c
Page Number: 333


Albert E Dipper
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Albert E Dipper
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 12 Feb 1901
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 18
Residence Place: Southampton, Hampshire, England
Occupation: Bread Baker
Line Number: 18
Schedule Number: 48
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: ECDB
Borough: Southampton
Registration district: 99-1
Inferred Spouse:
Eleanor Dipper
Inferred Children:
Irene F Dipper
Raymond Albert Dipper
Household Members Age
Albert E Dipper 38
Eleanor Dipper 46
Irene F Dipper 11
This record is officially closed.
Raymond Albert Dipper 18 [ Albert Raymond at birth ]


Albert and Eleanor had two other children -
John H in 1935, and Reginald William Thomas in 1930.


Reginald married in in Winchester 1957, and died in 2009:

Mr Reginald William Thomas Dipper
in the England and Wales, Death Index, 1989-2019
Name: Mr Reginald William Thomas Dipper
Gender: Male
Age: 79
Birth Date: 1930
Last Residence: Winchester, Hampshire, England
Postal Code District: So23
Death Date: 11 Feb 2009

His wife may still be living, but I don't see her on Electoral Rolls.
They had three sons, born in Winchester.


I've PM'd you the names of Reginald's sons, and the address of one of them.

To remind you -
Reginald Dipper was a son of Albert Dipper, who was a son of William Henry Dipper, who was a brother of George Dipper, who was Elsie's father.

However, unless they are into family tree research, it seem unlikely that Reginald's sons will know anything about their great-grandfather's niece Elsie.

I haven't investigated Albert's siblings, nor Reginald's siblings , to see if they had children or not.

I haven't investigated the Manns side of your family for living relatives.

You don't seem to have any direct living relatives descended from George Dipper (Elsie's father) .
George's brother William Henry seems to be the only one of George's siblings to have had children.