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29 Mar 2010 13:35 |
Hi, I am trying to find information on the following people.. I found them in the 1911 census in Liverpool but am not sure where to go next.. Walter John Holland ~ Jun 1881in Huyton, Lancashire, England Mary Elizabeth Whittle (1881in Liverpool) Walter Holland (5 years old) Lucy Holland (4 years old) Edna May Holland (2 years old) Baby Holland (3 days old) I am hoping to find living descendents of these people in the hope that they can tell me something about Walter John's family.
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Flick
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29 Mar 2010 13:40 |
Go to freebmd, and see if you can find marriage records for the children
Look in search trees on here to determine whether another GR member is researching them
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30 Mar 2010 13:05 |
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1916
HOLLAND Lucy - PARSONAGE Christopher Liverpool, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_LP/309/119
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1920
HOLLAND Lucy - O'LEARY Denis West Derby, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_WD/372/141
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30 Mar 2010 13:14 |
Zoe,
where you looking for Walter Johns parentage?
1891 England Census about Walter J Holland Name: Walter J Holland Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1881 Relation: Son Father's Name: John Mother's Name: Ellen Gender: Male Where born: Huyton, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Huyton With Roby Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew Town: Huyton With Roby County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Prescot Sub-registration district: Huyton ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age John Holland 48 Ellen Holland 46 Henry L Holland 18 Walter J Holland 10 Dee x
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BatMansDaughter
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30 Mar 2010 13:15 |
1901 England Census about Walter J Holland Name: Walter J Holland Age: 20 Estimated birth year: abt 1881 Relation: Son Mother's Name: Ellen Gender: Male Where born: Roby, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Wavertree Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: Railway Engine???
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: Wavertree ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 143 Household Members: Name Age Ellen Holland 53 Walter J Holland 20
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30 Mar 2010 13:17 |
1881 England Census about Walter J. Holland Name: Walter J. Holland Relation: Son Father's Name: John Mother's Name: Ellen Gender: Male Where born: Huyton, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Huyton With Roby County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: Dianas Lane Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Prescot Sub-registration district: Huyton ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age John Holland 35 Occupation; Rat Catcher (Vermin Destroyer) Ellen Holland 34 Henry Holland 8 Walter J. Holland Mary J. Molenuex 5 >> Visitor
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Zoe
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30 Mar 2010 13:42 |
Hi, Thanks to everyone who has had a look for me.. I have Walter John's family history.. I'm hoping to find information on his children so that I can move forwards.. I have had a look at the Lancashire BMD but I'm getting confused as the ages on the 1911 census don't match the birth records.. There is a record of a Walter Holland born in 1905 but nothing for 1906.. The BMD for Lancashire wouldn't be wrong would it? Then there is a Lucy Holland in 1906... Can't find any record of Edna May on there and as for baby Holland!! Also would like to find out about Mary Elizabeth Whittle but there seems to be a few of them in Liverpool! I'm not doing very well!!
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BatMansDaughter
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30 Mar 2010 13:48 |
This looks like Ednas birth;
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Births Mar 1909 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Holland Edna May W. Derby 8b 724
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You're best to look on FREEBMD and remember that the age given on a census can be out by 1 year quite easily, all that was put down on a census was their age when the census was taken so if Walter was born in May the census would state he was aged 5 but 2 months later he would be 6 so giving another year to him almost.
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BatMansDaughter
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30 Mar 2010 13:53 |
Zoe,
you may need to order the marriage cert to confirm Mary Elizabeths fathers name and occupation?
901 England Census about Mary E Whittle Name: Mary E Whittle Age: 20 Estimated birth year: abt 1881 Relation: Boarder Gender: Female Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Toxteth Park Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Toxteth Park Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park ED, institution, or vessel: 112 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 129 Household Members: Name Age David Wilson 49 Mary Wilson 48 Lizzie Whittle 28 Sarah Whittle 13 Mary E Whittle 20 Robert Hughes 48 Dee x
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Flick
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30 Mar 2010 13:58 |
The age on the census is as at the specific date on which the census was taken.
For example:-
Census date 31st March 1911 (not sure of exact date, but that's irrelevant)
Child born 30th March 1902 - age 9, est birth year 1902
Child born 1st April 1902, - age 8, est birth year 1903
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Flick
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30 Mar 2010 14:00 |
To find out about the mother, you need the marriage cert, as it will include her father's details
Marriages Jun 1905 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HOLLAND Walter John Liverpool 8b 40 WHITTLE Mary Elizabeth Liverpool 8b 40
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Flick
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30 Mar 2010 14:06 |
Births Mar 1909 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Holland Edna May W. Derby 8b 724
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Flick
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30 Mar 2010 14:07 |
What sex is the 'baby'?
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Flick
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30 Mar 2010 14:08 |
Two further children perhaps?
Births Sep 1914 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Holland Gladys Whittle W. Derby 8b 1329
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Zoe
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30 Mar 2010 14:16 |
The baby was a little girl..I know Mary Whittle had a brother as on the census it has "Elizabeth Whittle" Sister in Law visiting..
I shall look into the two children you have found Flick, that's really helpful!
I would like to find some living descendents as we know nothing about that side of the family and it would be interesting for us to know where we came from!
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Flick
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30 Mar 2010 14:19 |
Possibly one of these - but no way of knowing without getting cert(s)
Births Jun 1911 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Holland Ada W.Derby 8b 625 Holland Edith W.Derby 8b 561 Holland Irene F W.Derby 8b 292a Holland Sylvia M W.Derby 8b 640
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Zoe
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30 Mar 2010 14:26 |
Baby must have been born March 1911 as the census says that she was 3 days old!
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BatMansDaughter
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30 Mar 2010 14:27 |
Zoe,
baby would have been registered in the June quarter though.
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Zoe
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30 Mar 2010 17:06 |
Oh, Sorry.. you have to excuse my ignorance! I find this all quite confusing at times!
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10 Dec 2013 16:55 |
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1334972
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