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I am still none the wiser regarding this thread lol but can anyone tell me if there is anywhere I can search for travellers please?
Kind regards
Danielle

Harriet and Edward Lees are alive and well in 1881 with a load of offspring, so not her. ;) (Could still be the Lees-Bradley marriage some other way.)


My understanding is that women's birth surnames aren't usually on death certs, but I may be wrong - and it may vary.

I came to the conclusion of the bradley - lees marriage but then i sent off for John's birth certificate and it came back as Harriet Bradley formarly Potter. Would maiden names be given on a death certificate because i can send off for Harriet's?????

If Harriet had been previously married, this possible marriage would certainly be consistent with son Henry's birth:

Marriages Sep 1873
? Bradley Henry Ashton 8d 949
Hodgson Sarah Ann Ashton under Lyne 8d 949
? LEES Harriet Ann Ashton 8d 949
WATERHOUSE Alfred Ashton 8d 949

... but no Lees-Potter marriage to make it work.

Son John's birth for ref -- you've seen all these things, Danielle, but we ain't! This is him?


Births Mar 1883
Bradley John Humphrey Ashton 8d 492

= Ashton under Lyne


And son Henry in standard form for good measure:

Births Jun 1875
Bradley Henry Chester 8a 422

Thank you, Henry jnr was born June quarter of 1875
Chester 8a 422 may have to do a little more digging to find out what is going on can't find a birth for Mary Bradley either but i know she married someone called white between 1891 and 1901.....

We did have the 1891 twice already. ;)


And that 1875 record is a marriage!

1891 England Census

Name: Henry Bradley
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Harriett
Gender: Male
Where born: Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Holbeck
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Holbeck
Sub-registration district: Holbeck
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Bradley 56
Harriett Bradley 38 Tunstall, Staffs
Henry Bradley 15 Chester, Cheshire
Mary H Bradley 14 North Shields, Durham
John H Bradley 8 Ashton Lyne, Lancs
Albert Bradley 2 Leeds, Yorks




Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3670; Folio 116A; Page 27; GSU roll: 6098780.



Note that father Henry is Blind

Given the gap between Mary and John, I might suspect that Henry and Harriett only got together during that gap, and the older children belong to one or the other of them, but not both. So Harriett could have had a previous marriage, and in fact still been married to a first husband, precluding a marriage to Henry. Ditto Henry, of course.

When my great grandfather John Bradley (b.1883) married he put his father (henry) down as been a firewood hawker, is this the same as a chip chopper???? Still none the wiser as to Harriet Potter though????

1891 census

John H Bradley born Ashtonulpe

Holbeck

Henry Bradley 56 Nottingham
Harriett Bradley 38 Tunisia
H??y Bradley 15 Chester
Mary H Bradley 14 North Shields Durham
John H Bradley 8 Ashton under lyme
Albert Bradley 2 Leeds

Harriet was actually born Tunstall, Staffs

Can't speak for anybody else, but I just can't reproduce your 1891 results! I'm looking at Ancestry. They may be mistranscribed somehow.

Can you please give us John's date and *place* of birth as stated on the 1891 census? Also Harriet's and Henry's -- these will help locate them, and it really is important to know those things, to do searches in other years.


Oookay, tried again and they magically appeared - in Holbeck, 1891:

Henry Bradley 56 - born Nottingham
- occupation Chip Chopper
Harriett Bradley 38 - born - haha - "Staff, Tunisia"
H??Y Bradley 15 - born Chester
- occupation Chip Chopper and Hawker
Mary H Bradley 14 - born North Shields
- occupation ditto
John H Bradley 8 - born "Asthonulpe", Lancashire (Ashton u. Lyne)
Albert Bradley 2 - born Leeds

I have Henry and Harriet together on the 1891 census in Holbeck, Leeds along with there children, Henry, Mary, John and Albert. They are living in a caravan. On the 1901 census Henry is widowed and i think Harriet died about 1898.

Do you have them together anywhere in a census? I've had no luck in 71 or 81 ... or 91.

It is son John's birth cert that gives the names? Can you say where you have Harriet's birth year and place from? The only Potters in the censuses born in Tunstall were born after 1870. Where was son John born?

Have you identified son John's marriage, assuming he married? The marriage certificate might (but might not) state a father's name.

I am trying to find any information i can on Harriet Potter, Born about 1843 in Tunstall, Staffs. Married Henry Bradley ? and son John Bradley was born 1883. From what i can work out her and Henry were Travellers but can't find a marriage. Any help very much appreciated. Regards Danielle