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We can't find the birth certificate record for my great grandfather. He didn't see any of his family or talk about them so it's a mystery. We do know from his military records that his date of birth was 29 July 1885 and that he was born in Clerkenwell. We believe his father was called Harry or Henry from his marriage certificate. Can anyone help? What would Clerkenwell have come under?

thanks
Katy

I found Clerkenwell listed under London.

have you seen the Beer family tree on Ancestry?

Ginny x

There is a Frederick under Stepney, London Sept 1885 1c 403

ginny x

Have checked 1891 census and 1901 census and cannot find Fredrick with a father Henry/Harry.

Tried looking for births, it is a mine field of Fredrick Jacksons with those dates. The closest I could get is for St Pancras which could have been the registration district.

Gail

There are also a couple others that are around/in London

1885 Sep

St olave 1d 264
Pancras 1d 98
Barton I 8c 650

ginny x

This could be him; He is down as Henrys step son

1901 England Census
about Frederick Jackson
Name: Frederick Jackson
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Stepson
Mother's Name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: Mile End, London, England

Civil Parish: Mile End Old Town
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul Bow Common
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub registration district: Mile End, Old Town, Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 21
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Thompson 48
Mary A Thompson 44
William Jackson 21
Frederick Jackson 18
Alice Jackson 23
Ethel Thompson 4
Albert Thompson 2
Henry Banfield 27
Mary A Wright 75

June quarter registrations(june-Aug births)
Births Jun 1885

Jackson Frederick Paddington 1a 47
Jackson Frederick Henry Islington 1b 322
Jackson Frederick James Hendon 3a 187
Jackson Frederick John Bethnal Green 1c 184
was he married by 1911 census?

1891?????
Name: Fredk Livington
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Lucy
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England

Civil Parish: Clerkenwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: London
County/Island: London

Household Members: Name Age
Henry Jackson 39
Lucy Jackson 38
Eleonor Jackson 15
Wm Jackson 13
Emily Jackson 12
Chas Jackson 11
Fredk Livington 6

Wow Janice great pick up.

Gail

Back on this search. None of our family can confirm his birth details.

We were told that he played with Charlie Chaplin as a kid and lived on Kennington Road but can't find anything with those records.

Where did you see Army Record?, any references, also for Marriage year, wife etc...

Chris :)

edits (Kennington Road is Lambeth)

A 2 mile walk looking at sites in Kennington associated with Charlie Chaplin
C attended the Kennington Road School whilst living with his father

http://www.london-footprints.co.uk/wkchaplinkennroute.htm

When did he marry?

Who did he marry?

What was his occupation at the time?

What was his father's occupation?

Who witnessed the marriage?

If we are to help, you need to tell us everything which could be relevant

(possibly below)

Chris :)

Marriages Dec 1907 (>99%)
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JACKSON Frederick St. Olave 1d 424
MOORE Alice Maud St. Olave 1d 424


1911 (Find My Past)
Frederick Jackson Head Married Male 25 1886 London Clerkenwell Restaurant Assistant
Alice Jackson Wife Married Female 23 1888 London Bermondsey
Victor Jackson Son - Male 1 1910 London Bermondsey
Address 27 Runham St Walworth S E
Parish St Mary Newington
County London
Registration district Southwark
(Married 3yrs, 2 children born, 1 living, 1 died)


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 (Ancestry)

Name: Frederick Jackson (Bachelor. Waiter)
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Age: 20
Spouse: Alice Maud Moore
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1907
Parish: St James, Bermondsey
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Harry Jackson (Labourer. Deceased)
Spouse Father: William Alfred Moore (Labourer)
(wits. William Alfred Moore, Emily Moore. Address for both as, 7 Marshalls Place, Spa Road)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/trying_to_find/jackson/thread/1252707

(?)

Chris :)

(from above 'Thread')

Frederick Jackson, born around 1883 to 1886 born or so he claims Clerkenwell. Married to Alice Moore in 1907, have marriage cert. Known for sure to have had two brothers, names unknown

Served in the Duke of Cornwall Light Infantry during WW1, his record is in the Burnt Records, Army number 18293, enlisted 5th February 1915 and discharged 20th August 1915 due to permanent injury, war wound. Died in sidcup 1959 alleged age 73. Have his medal records, he got the Pip, Squeak and Whistle medals. Family story goes that Fred was disinherited from the family because he married beneath his station, Fred was very highly educated, this we do no for sure. On the 1911 census he says born Clerkenwell.


Deaths Mar 1959 (>99%)
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JACKSON Frederick 73 Sidcup 5b 969


UK, Silver War Badge Records, 1914-1920 (Ancestry)

(Cause of Discharge on above, Sickness)

Not the Fredk livington with parents Henry and Lucy Jackson off 1891 census he is lavington 1901 with Lucy

1911 45 Wynatt St Clerkenwell
lucy Jackson widow born Walworth
Frederick Jackson on copy but on original Levington single and a general labourer.

Maryb.

So.....father deceased, no family members as witnesses...........illegitimate?

Highly educated.............working as a waiter? Not impossible, but unlikely, I'd have thought

How do you know he was highly educated????


Many of his generation did not get much formal schooling, but they educated themselves after work and at weekends, went to what we later called night school, read widely, etc etc ............ and even spoke quite "proper", ie without much of an accent.


Unless you have paper proof of his education, then he could have done as so many others did.

Was hoping Katy might reply to say if other 'Thread' relates to her Frederick...

Not seeing that Burnt Record on FMP (am sure they have some) wondered if an address for him survived on it. And, as we have found before from documents, Birthdate isn't always correct!.

Chris :)