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Hi Gleynis, if you search at freebmd

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

for Lyle births with mother Hills, for children of ETHEL HILLS, there was only one

Births Dec 1919
Lyle Frederick E B (Hills) Uckfield 2b 200

he married in 1940 and there is one child to that marriage

that child has a family tree here at genesreunited with Frederick 1919 in their tree (as does someone else) and also has

Frederick Lyle 1889 Liverpool Merseyside

but the actual birth seems to be

Births Dec 1882
LYLE Frederick George Toxteth Park 8b 225

Name: Frederick G Lyle
Birth Date: abt 1882
Date of Registration: Jun 1961
Age at Death: 79
Registration district: Uckfield
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 5h
Page: 509

you and one other member have Ethel in your family trees as born 1890 Bedfordshire ... however her birth was registered early in 1890 so could she have been born in 1889? ... one person has her in their tree with that date and place of birth ... do you know both those people?

Ethel's death

Name: Ethel M Lyle
Birth Date: abt 1890
Date of Registration: Mar 1945
Age at Death: 55
Registration district: Uckfield
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 2b
Page: 202


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it looks like HARRIET HILLS married a second time

Births Sep 1881
Penfold William Charles T Staines 3a 1

Marriages Dec 1951
PENFOLD William C T SAWYER Middlesex S. 5f 119
SAWYER Harriet F PENFOLD Middlesex S. 5f 119

which seems odd except that

he had been previously married

Marriages Jun 1903
Bendall Annie Louise Staines 3a 11
Penfold William Charles T Staines 3a 11

and his first wife died in 1950

Births Mar 1881
BENDALL Annie Louise Amesbury 5a 178
Deaths Dec 1950
Penfold Annie L 69 Ealing 5e 15

so he and Ethel were free to marry after lengthy partnership, probably

in the 1911 census he had daughter Mildred Penfold aged 5, who is in a family tree at this website

one of the people who has Frederick Lyle in their tree also has William Penfold

just adding a tick to watched threads.

thank you to those who have assisted and added comments above-all are relevant and appreciated. Yes I am in NZ so have a pretty good handle on the NZ family, but have been trying to sort out the English side...still working full time so not enough time to follow up leads, but retirement looms! :-)

I think in any case Glenys knows about the family in NZ (her family) and was looking for relations in England

more records are available now than in 2009 so if Glenys does receive a message from Howard she might like to continue this thread, if she has not found that info by now

Howard last post on this thread was 2009 so if you want to pass this info on you might like to sent a personal message to Glenys (click on her name) to see if she is still a member

Edwin Frank HILLS married in NZ 1907/ref;6253. Fanny Elizabeth MARDEN.
Edwin died 27.Dec.1958/ref;30826 age 75
Fanny died 27. April. 1969/ref;47408. age 86
They are in the same grave in Kaeo Cemetery.
They had at least four children from 1908 to 1915.
1. Frederick William HILLS. 1908/ref;22912.
died 14. May 1968/ref;30162, age 59. buried Kaeo Cemetery
He married 1933/ref;5253.
Winifred MILLER. born 12. Oct. 1912. not born in NZ.
She died 22.March 2011/ref;7217.
buried Kaeo Cemetery, age 98.
2. Phyllis Katherine HILLS. 7.May 1910/ref;12205
died 1997/ref;35753, age 86.
She married 1952/folio 3170.
Harold Adolph LAMBERG, 1904-1967.
3. John Edwin HILLS, 21 Oct. 1911/ref;19926.
died 12.Nov.1978/ref;43181, age 67.
Married 1939/folio 6343
Freda Ethel WOODCOCK, 23.Oct.1919. Monganui, NZ
died 16. May 2006/ref;11509.
They are both buried in Kaeo Public Cemetery.
4. Beryl Elizabeth HILLS, 12 May 1915/ref;12628.
died 1983/ref;51738. age 68
Married 1938/folio 4971
Whitie Eugene CULLEN, b. 1913, not in NZ
died 20. May 1970/ref;39900, age 57
both buried Papakura Cemetery.
Hope this helps.

Both from,,,http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
which is free to search

Marriages Mar 1912 (>99%)
Hills Harriet F Sawyer Willesden 3a 285
Sawyer James Hills Willesden 3a 285

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Marriages Mar 1911 (>99%)
Hills Ethel M Uckfield 2b 187
Lyle Frederick G Uckfield 2b 187

I am unable to find a marriage for frederick to catherine but there are a few spouses missing for the frederick hills marriages of about the right time on ,,freeBMD,,

It was after 1881 census was taken on the 3rd april that year as he was with his mother and single on the 1881 census which is free to search.

Births Jun 1883 (>99%)
HILLS Edwin Frank Godstone 2a 176

England Census 1891
about Harriet Florence Hills
Name: Harriet Florence Hills
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Frederick
Mother's Name: Catherine
Gender: Female
Where born: Iona, Bedfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Luton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Luton
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Luton
Sub registration district: Luton
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Hills 34<<born lower beeding sussex
Catherine Hills 30<<born cardlington,bedfordshire{licensed victuallers,pub}
Edwin Frank Hills 8<<born in godstone surrey
Harriet Florence Hills 5
Ethel M Hills 1

Dear Glenys

Which area did the sisters come from?

Will try to help.

Frederick or ( Edwin) Hills- I am trying to find information. My Grandfather Edwin Frank Hills came to NZ in 1906, but left two sister and family in the UK. Sisters Harriet Florence Hills b. 1885 and Ethel Maud Hills b1890. Think Harriet married a Sawyer and Ehtel married a Lyle. Would love some information. Think my great grandfather was Frederick or Edwin and Great grandmother Catherine (Kate) Bishop.