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John57
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31 Jan 2009 20:48 |
thanks to searchers for info supplied
as i said too many ppl with same name and children...Henry and Rebecca Martin with a daughter called Mary and all in roughly same region
but id like to say thanks
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John57
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30 Jan 2009 16:45 |
looked at four Elizabeths on Scotlands People for 1855 none had parents called Henry and Rebecca...ohhh the plot thickens...lol right im off out till tomorrow sometime..thanks for looking and if anyone hits nail on head they have my admiration
will check back tomorrow...thanks again people
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30 Jan 2009 16:03 |
1891 still only says England! Name: Mary McMunnagill Age: 32 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859 Relationship: Wife Spouse's name : John Gender: Female Where born: England Registration Number: 644/10 Registration district: Anderston Civil Parish: Glasgow Barony County: Lanarkshire Address: 53 Clyde St Household Members: Name Age John McMunnagill 32 Mary McMunnagill 32 Isabella McMunnagill 13 Robt McMunnagill 9 John McMunnagill 7 William McMunnagill 6 Mo Martha McCormall 17 1881 Name: Mary Mc Munnagall Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857 Relationship: Wife Spouse's name : John Gender: Female Where born: England Registration Number: 644/10 Registration district: Anderston Civil Parish: Glasgow Barony Household Members: Name Age John Mc Munnagall 24 Mary Mc Munnagall 24 Isabella Mc Munnagall 4 Henden Mc Munnagall 2 So no help on the census unless the image gives anymore info. I can only see them on Ancestry which doesn't open images.
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30 Jan 2009 14:48 |
For info 1901 Name: Mary McMonigal Age: 42 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859 Relationship: Wife Spouse's name : John Gender: Female Where born: England Registration Number: 644/10 Registration district: Anderston Civil Parish: Glasgow St Mark County: Lanarkshire Address: 69 Piccadilly St
Name: John McMonigal Age: 43 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Mary Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Registration Number: 644/10 Registration district: Anderston Occupation: Holder Aprets Rivater
Household Members: Name Age John McMonigal 43 Mary McMonigal 42 Robert McMonigal 20 John McMonigal 17 Rebecca McMonigal 7 Ellen McMonigal 4
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John57
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30 Jan 2009 14:14 |
thanks for your info...
A... i have no proof as yet Mary was born in St Helens only seen posting on family search for Mary Martin with right parents..born 1857..also date of death has been added which is correct
B...parents are Henry Martin and Rebecca Martin(nee McEwan)
c..parents ..irish..english..scots...? i dont know
d...Mary moved north sometime and married a John McMunnagil (Irish)in 1876 and from marriage lines ive seen on scotlands ppl..yes both her parents names are correct
e.. on tracing my mums line..i.e McMunnagil..i found Mary... but thats all ive been able to find..even on threads i have on here
f... i treat LDS site with contemp... i beleive if you enter info on search and find person...that info then seems to be added...so i dont take anything i find on that site as cosher or factual... but was only info i found on Mary with right parents...so i followed that line for now and still am till i find different info..loi
g... Scotlands People site allows you (if a member ) to veiw image if avail of BMD certs so seldom need to purchase as info is there to see..unlike English sites that just take membership to give you an index number etc
ill be here or around for a few hours..then im off out...and wont be back till sat evening..and ill try answer any more questions you have
thanks again for info..it wont be discarded but stored aside...till can be backed up or proven wrong
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30 Jan 2009 08:23 |
What is Mary's married name?
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30 Jan 2009 07:43 |
1881 the Burnley one? intresting born Scotland and one child born St Helens Name: Rebecca Martin Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Lanarkshire, Scotland Civil Parish: Padiham County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 42 Burnley Road Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower) Household Members: Name Age Rebecca Martin 50 Elizabeth Martin 26 =Lanarkshire Scotland Robert H. Martin 20 =St Helens Samuel J. Martin 14 =Hapton William Martin 12 = Padiham
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30 Jan 2009 07:23 |
Henry in same districts(?born about same as Rebecca) Name: Henry Martin Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832 Year of Registration: 1901 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at Death: 69 District: West Derby County: Lancashire Volume: 8b Page: 263
Name: Henry Martin Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830 Year of Registration: 1905 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at Death: 75 District: West Derby County: Lancashire Volume: 8b Page: 189
Name: Henry J Martin Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839 Year of Registration: 1918 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Age at Death: 79 District: West Derby County: Lancashire Volume: 8b Page: 293
None in Burnley district
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jansmith
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30 Jan 2009 06:41 |
Sylvia,i think John has Scottish marriage records which give more info than English ones.If not and its the IGI then that is another submitted entry! John do you know if parents went to Scotland? If not then Lanchashire death index any of these? (or perhaps this is the same Rebecca as above census) Name: Rebecca Martin Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831 Year of Registration: 1889 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec Age at Death: 58 District: West Derby County: Lancashire Volume: 8b Page: 372
Name: Rebecca Martin Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835 Year of Registration: 1897 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Age at Death: 62 District: Burnley County: Lancashire, Yorkshire - West Riding Volume: 8e Page: 170 Birth perhaps to early Name: Rebecca Martin Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827 Year of Registration: 1867 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at Death: 40 District: Chorlton County: Lancashire Volume: 8c Page: 542
Name: Rebecca Martin Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832 Year of Registration: 1901 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar Age at Death: 69 District: West Derby County: Lancashire Volume: 8b Page: 328
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SylviaInCanada
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30 Jan 2009 04:07 |
you say "possibly born St Helens"
what makes you think St Helens?
Where else could she have been born?
Where did you get your information from?
Are you indeed sure that her parents are Henry and Rebecca??
If you are sure that her parents are Henry and Rebecca ..... this is the only record that shows up on ancestry for a Mary Martin born ca 1857 +/- 2 years, in Lancashire, with parents Henry and Rebecca.
1861 Census
Name: Mary Martin Age: 2 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Henry Mother's Name: Rebecca Gender: Female Where born: Great Crosby, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Great Crosby Ecclesiastical parish: Sephton <<<<<< I woudl guess this is SeFton! County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Sub registration district: Crosby
Henry Martin 34 b.ca 1827, Ireland, Brickmaker Rebecca Martin 31 b.ca 1830, Liverpool Elizabeth Martin 12 b.ca 1849, Liverpool, Carrier Off in Brickworks Mary Martin 2 Address:- Liverpool Road, Great Crosby
This is of course the same one that Janice found, and which you have dismissed.
Could you be mistaken ........ in year of birth, and/or in parents???
Don't forget that the age or birth year on a census may be upto TWO years out .................... it all depends on the month in which a person was born and the month in which a census was taken. They were asked for their age ..... and the modern transcribers have then assigned a year to that age.
That is why we usually write a birth year as ca 1857, UNLESS we know the actual birth date from certificate or baptism information.
sylvia
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SylviaInCanada
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30 Jan 2009 03:51 |
John
Just one point
don't be surprised if you found something on www.familysearch, the Mormon site, that you hadn't found before
Seemingly, they cycle information in and out ........... so you may find something today, then it won't be on there the next time you want to see it.
As Roy said, you have to be very very wary of SUBMITTED records
............ it is not unknown for the information to have been "massaged" to fit the facts, to say the very least, made up also comes to mind!!
At the very least, such submitted information will not have any backup documentation so you cannot check it.
sylvia
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John57
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30 Jan 2009 00:40 |
ps...by 1876 Mary was in Gasgow married to my Grt Grandfather
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John57
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30 Jan 2009 00:38 |
sorry folks but bedtime has arived..will say goodnight though
to searchers thru the night (uk it is lol)
thanks ....will look tomorrow after work
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30 Jan 2009 00:38 |
1881?Name: Mary Ellen Martin Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859 Relation: Sister Gender: Female Where born: St Helens, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Beswick County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 27 Philips Park Rd
Household Members: Name Age Margaret Martin 25 Mary Ellen Martin 22 Elizabeth Martin 16 when did she marry
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John57
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30 Jan 2009 00:36 |
Hi Janice
yes i have thats how i got address to contact St Helens Registry office
thanks again
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jansmith
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30 Jan 2009 00:30 |
Have you looked on http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk an ongoing project
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John57
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30 Jan 2009 00:23 |
thanks Janice... but wrong ones as far as i know...seen those and dates wrong for Mary's birth..went to Great Crosby library and searched microfilche..think mothers maiden name is Moorcroft on that family
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John57
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30 Jan 2009 00:19 |
yes thats the info that to me is newly appeared
thanks Porkie Pie
will look on that site and give it a try
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30 Jan 2009 00:19 |
1861 this one? Name: Mary Martin Age: 2 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Henry Mother's Name: Rebecca Gender: Female Where born: Great Crosby, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Great Crosby Ecclesiastical parish: Sephton County/Island: Lancashire Registration district: West Derby Name: Henry Martin Age: 34 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Rebecca Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Civil Parish: Great Crosby
Name: Rebecca Martin Age: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Henry Gender: Female Where born: Liverpool Civil Parish: Great Crosby Ecclesiastical parish: Sephton
Name: Elizabeth Martin Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Henry Mother's Name: Rebecca Gender: Female Where born: Liverpool
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John57
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30 Jan 2009 00:05 |
hi searchers,...need help..pos impossible help... but if info there know one of you can hopefully find it..so thanking you all before hand
ive been searching for my gr gran Mary Martin Possibly born St Helens 1857 to Rebecca Martin Nee McEwan and Henry Martin..was told of a mary born there dec quarter 1858 (a year out but posible late register) so i sent to St Helens registry office for birth cert (which by the way is better than sending to gro...as no charge for searching if nothing found ...if one knows area ancestor was born in)got a cert today... but alsa...wrong Rebecca , her maiden name was Carnican... so i searched family search site for her...nothing and then swapped surname to McEwan...and up popped a Rebecca McEwan born c1835..ive searched this site before and never found her..apart from in Mary's info on that site..so have doubts about the site..anyway..i would be fair chuffed (as we scots say ) if anyone could find any info on this Rebecca McEwan St Helens 1835 ish... birth marriage ..offspring..death..if any such thing on her exists.. all i have is parents names on grt grans marriage papers and that her dad Henry was a chemical worker furnaceman... so wish you all the best in searching...this side of my family tree very elusive in every way i know..continue to hit and re hit brick walls with them
so once again i thank you will be about for 30 mins... then ..bed for work ohhh joy hahaha
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